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Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Backlash

Posted by Jon Elson
on 2007-03-24 21:38:16 UTC
Vince Endter wrote:
> I have been trying to chase down a backlash problem I have with my
> Hiwin ballscrews for almost a year. I even sent the ballscrews back
> to Hiwin and they said there is no detectable backlash in them. I
> made a video of the test recommended by Hiwin. In the test I
> attached a ball bearing to the end of the ball screw shaft so I am
> not measuring any out of squareness in the end of the shaft. I am
> using a tenths reading (.0001") indicator on the end of the ballscrew
> and a thousands reading (.001") on the table. I am measuring
> between .0003" and .0004" backlash in the end play of the radial
> contact bearing, and .004" on the ballscrew/table movement. The gibs
> are adjusted to that if I push as hard as I can anywhere on the table
> I can see only .0005" deflection. The mill was recently reground and
> hand scraped by a professional machine tool rebuilder.
>
> There are only two places I can see the backlash coming from. One is
> the yoke, which was supplied by Hiwin (very large cast iron, I can't
> see that flexing), and the other is the ballnut/screw combination.
> The ballscrew has a single nut. Hiwin says they take care of back
> lash in one of two ways, either with a different pitch between the
> nut and screw, or by adjusting the ball size in the nut. They won't
> say which method is used in my installation.
>
I have a fair bit of "lost motion" in my machine, about .001 to
.0015" on every axis. But, none of that is truly "backlash" as
I have good anti-backlash screws/nuts on all axes. What I do
have is "flex" in the whole system. (My X and Y screws are very
high quality ground precision screws, and are accurate to .001"
over the entire length of the axes!) But, they weren't made for
use on a Bridgeport, and are .895" on the major diameter. So,
the screws compress, and probably bow a bit, too. The sxis
drives are mounted out on aluminum plates which allow some
flexing from where they are mounted. The Z also has a good
screw, but the quill is not in good shape, it has a lot of scars
from chips wedging between quill and housing. So, the quill
presents a lot of drag on that axis, causing the link from nut
to quill to flex. I am not shocked by this, and don't plan to
spend a great deal of time trying to get this reduced.
> Here is the video of the test:
> http://www.flyingcritters.com/video/Backlash.wmv
>
All I get is an audio clip with a steady whooshing background.
No video window popped up at all.

Jon

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Blue 2005-02-09 10:10:31 UTC Backlash Jon Elson 2005-02-09 11:14:37 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Backlash Blue 2005-02-09 12:06:19 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Backlash Vince Endter 2007-03-24 09:47:12 UTC Backlash Mark Vaughan 2007-03-24 11:25:34 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Backlash R Rogers 2007-03-24 12:17:48 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Backlash Polaraligned 2007-03-24 13:05:11 UTC Re: Backlash Vince Endter 2007-03-24 15:04:08 UTC Re: Backlash Vince Endter 2007-03-24 15:08:56 UTC Re: Backlash Mark Vaughan 2007-03-24 15:26:28 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Backlash Polaraligned 2007-03-24 17:19:09 UTC Re: Backlash Jon Elson 2007-03-24 21:38:16 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Backlash Vince Endter 2007-03-24 21:45:39 UTC Re: Backlash ballendo 2007-03-25 00:02:24 UTC Re: Backlash ballendo 2007-03-25 00:06:36 UTC Re: Backlash Philip Burman 2007-03-25 04:22:31 UTC Re: Backlash Vince Endter 2007-03-25 08:12:57 UTC Re: Backlash Graham Stabler 2007-03-25 08:24:01 UTC Re: Backlash Mark Vaughan 2007-03-25 09:33:29 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Backlash Vince Endter 2007-03-25 11:24:43 UTC Re: Backlash Jon Elson 2007-03-25 11:33:45 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Backlash R Rogers 2007-03-25 12:31:13 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Backlash David G. LeVine 2007-03-25 13:07:26 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Backlash Mark Vaughan 2007-03-25 13:46:33 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Backlash Mark Vaughan 2007-03-25 14:14:22 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Backlash Vince Endter 2007-03-25 20:17:54 UTC Re: Backlash Vince Endter 2007-03-25 20:19:24 UTC Re: Backlash Vince Endter 2007-03-25 20:22:07 UTC Re: Backlash David G. LeVine 2007-03-25 21:24:12 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Backlash R Rogers 2007-03-25 21:37:00 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Backlash Jon Elson 2007-03-25 21:58:54 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Backlash Jon Elson 2007-03-25 22:04:34 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Backlash Vince Endter 2007-03-26 05:09:28 UTC Re: Backlash Jon Elson 2007-03-26 20:57:14 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Backlash Jack Mc Kie 2008-01-13 17:39:51 UTC Backlash figNoggle 2008-01-13 18:36:12 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Backlash Jack McKie 2008-01-16 13:10:54 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Backlash