Re: EHP External Hardware Proposal

Hans, thanks for the reply. There is so many possibilities
on this cnc hardware, it seems to confuse me at times.
I have seen numerous PIC/Stepper IC's but they seem to
operate fairly slowly (4800 baud). Am I right in that you want
to make an intelligent RS232 to step/direction convertor?
What software is out there that is compatible with RS232
and not propriotry? Need that knowledge!

Steve

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From: hansw <hansw@...>
To: CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@onelist.com
Subject: Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO]EHP External Hardware Proposal
Date: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 7:50 PM

From: hansw <hansw@...>

Steve,
I posted several replies the details of the idea.

In reply to your question...

I do not see it as a board in the sense of a plug in ISA or PCI card... it
would be external and controlled by RS-232

PC-----------RS232----------------EHP-------------Exisiting Driver
Hardware.

The idea is to use RS232 much like Flash Cut... but it appears FLashCut
are holding their system details close to the chest...
I'm not interested in copying any ones idea, I can do it self...
See other postings about this subject ..

regards
Hans Wedemeyer

Steve Carlisle wrote:

> From: "Steve Carlisle" <quatsein@...>
>
> It seems that most of the companys that sell data aquistion
> and control products list, LPT/Printer port compatible I/O
> systems. Would this be the type of board that would be
> considered for EHP?
>
> Steve
>
> ----------
> From: Bertho Boman <boman@...>
> To: CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@onelist.com
> Subject: Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO]EHP External Hardware Proposal
> Date: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 5:32 PM
>
> From: Bertho Boman <boman@...>
>
> More thoughts:
>
> I think Hans is going full speed but we need to talk about our goals.
>
> A few of my suggested goals:
>
> Keep it simple and do not reinvent the wheel. Make it possible for

persons

> to either use what is commonly available or easily
> modifiable.
>
> To make an external multi-axis, coordinated controller board is a
> significant undertaking. To further complicate it by adding
> the servo/stepper amplifiers on board would be a very large task to say

the

> least. Besides the hardware there would be tons of
> software required.
>
> Doing a one channel DSP (or Micro-P) based controller like I described is

a

> reasonable group project. That would separate the
> motion control software from the servo amplifier and the tach feed back

and

> it would also remove the need for an expensive
> custom PC I-O card. Actual I-O could be either through the parallel port
> or even opto isolated RS-232.
>
> The software to drive it only needs to be modified slightly: Instead of
> writing the the command to the PC I-O card D/A it sends
> it out on the printer port or the equivalent step speed command. Instead
> of reading the shaft encoder counter on the I-O card
> it reads it from the printer port. I think it would be relatively easy

to

> modify CNC software to do the above.
>
> That means multiple existing software could be used with slight
> modification since none of the timing or feedback loops are
> changed for the software. Only the local servo constants would be

modified

> but they are normally external anyhow.
>
> Neither Hans or I are happy to have to fiddle with Linux but if the
> installation and RT kernels issues are streamlined, EMC
> would be an excellent choice for the software. That would also remove

the

> need to modify EMC to make it work well with
> steppers. An other possible alternative would be if Hans or someone with
> the right experience can take a look at what it takes
> to run EMC under a slightly modified NT to get reasonable RT performance

as

> I mentioned in a previous post.
>
> A small single channel board with PWM amps that can be used with either
> steppers or servos sounds good. Hey, stack up six of
> them and we have a hexapod! It would solve several problems:
>
> 1. Pulse generator for steppers with no frequency limit or jumps
> 2. Amplifiers for plain steppers.
> 3. Encoder feedback for steppers.
> 4. Servo Amps with digital gain/ filter control.
> 5. Encoder, home and limit switches interface.
> 6. Electronic tach for servo feed back
> 7. No PC I-O card required
> 8. Easy opto isolation
> 9. Since it is a very low cost single channel board it can be used for
> simple motion control of just about anything.
>
> To the EMC "crew": Is it practical what I suggest and would you be

willing

> to support it?
>
> Hans and Windows programmers: Have you taken a look at what is required

to

> run EMC on NT?
>
> Who has DSP experience?
>
> Step up to the mic. Let your suggestions and comments be heard!
>
> If this is pulled through, I can have the boards built on my production
> lines at cost (I'm not in this to make money) as long as
> we can run a reasonable size batch each time. That way, software and
> non-electronic persons still can be part of a large group
> and we can standardize our effort.
>
> Bertho Boman
> =======================================
>
> > From: "Carlos Guillermo" <cnk@...>
> >
> > Hans -
> >
> > I've got a pretty basic question. Are we talking about offloading
> > interpolation duties to external hardware? As in sending an arc-move
> > command to the external micro and then letting it execute the

coordinated

> > motion? Or, are we talking about merely updating a count register for
> each
> > axis' "commanded position" and letting the external micro handle the
> servo
> > loop, PID gains and all? Or, are we just talking about blind stepper
> pulse
> > train generation...? I think I've heard a little of each from the
> various
> > people interested in this system architecture, and was just wondering
> what
> > the external micro's duties would be.
> >
> > Carlos Guillermo
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