Re: High Speed Spindle for SIEG X2 - Finally a Solution

--- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com, "William Perun Sr"
<wperun1@...> wrote:

>> You loose

2.7" of the X axis travel because the Proxxon sits next to the stock
spindle. I'm doing 3" by 3" engraving, and sculpting so I won't be
loosing anything. <<

Bill,

I know I already mentioned this on the other group.. but just in case
anyone here hasn't read it..

You will maintain full 'X' travel if you extend the table by 2.7
inches on the side the new spindle fits.. depending on what you are
machining, with a chunk of MDF, aluminium or steel..

Chris

>
> Well I went out after making the post and moved and stacked 6 face
> cord of wood for 8 hours. Not too bad for 66, and temps in the
> 90s. I thought I'd check to see if there was any traffic on the
> post. You guys have been busy today.
>
> Hi Dave (turbulatordude) - yes its the spindle plate and the
> Proxxon IB/E, LittleMachineShop is also selling the KDN Tool
> product. The spindle does not replace the head on the mill, because
> in order to do that you'd have to remove the lead screw / ball
> screw, then pull the Spindle box seat casting (#63) which rides the
> Z axis column vee ways, and has the Spindle box casting (#49)bolted
> to it from the back of (#63). The heads of the bolts are covered by
> the Z axis column. It would take forever to exchange spindles. The
> beauty of the KDN Tool solution is that it virtually takes no time
> to switch between the main spindle, and the Proxxon IB/E spindle.
> Elegant solutions to complicated problems are simple. You loose
> 2.7" of the X axis travel because the Proxxon sits next to the stock
> spindle. I'm doing 3" by 3" engraving, and sculpting so I won't be
> loosing anything.
>
> Hi, John Stevenson - the spindle is right below "Just Born" which is
> a Proxxon MF70 Micro Mill converted to CNC. The product I am
> talking about is labeled "Our Latest Innovations", "High Speed
> Spindle Attachment For The X2 Mini Mill", click HERE for more
> information will give you all the information you'll need.
>
> Hi, Andy Wander - you're right, you did find it.
>
> Hi, Alan Marconett, I also have looked at Trim Routers. They are
> tempting, but as you mentioned thay are not variable speed, but a
> VFD will solve that. What concerns me is the run out of the
> spindle, which effects the resolution of the engraving / sculpting,
> as well as the finish. The trim router would be great as a wood
> router on a gantry machine. Mounted on the side of the SIEG X2
> spindle box, too much of the X axis travel would be lost.
>
> Dave (turbulatordude), the Proxxon IB/E is much more than a Dremel,
> and much more than the other Proxxon Hand Grinders. Of course high
> powered spindles run from $1,000 to $5,000. Now the Proxxon IB/E
> isn't in the high powered price range at $110 but it has some
> steller performance features that many have overlooked. For price /
> performance you can't beat the Proxxon IB/E. The Proxxon IB/E does
> not have a plastic housing where the spindle mechanism / bearings
> resides. The housing is metal.
>
> Hi, Lester Caine - you're right, the Proxxon IB/E is designed for
> heavy use. Take a look at my torque requirement calculations - for
> aluminum, brass, and steel - for the two extremes of end mill
> diameters that the IB/E holds. 100 watts covers a lot of machining
> range for engraving and sculpting. In a sense I am into high speed
> machining with very small chip loads, and high feed rates and high
> rpms. I was just reading an article about Branchline Trains who
> machine their model train steel dies, with 0.005" diameter end
> mills. This is only possible with high speed machining technology,
> and that requires a high speed spindle, and I don't have $1,000 to
> $5,000, but I do have $100. I also don't have the time to develop,
> and machine a bracket.
>
> Hi, Graham Stabler - I always enjoy reading you posts, thanks for
> sharing all the information, and your time. I believe that you are
> right that the Proxxon IB/E is the same motor technology as the
> Proxxon MF70 mill spindle motor. I've been wondering what the motor
> technology is. Is it an AC or DC motor? What are the poles all
> about? If AC then what kind? If DC then brushed or brushless? I
> joined the IRK Torque Max group hoping to adapt a RC brushless motor
> to a high speed spindle. I never got any where because of my lack
> of knowledge of electronics. Was very complicated. I contacted
> brushless DC motor manufacturers, too expensive, and disapointing
> duty cycle.
>
> Hi, Alan Marconett - I guess I don't know which of the laminate
> trimmers or routers you are thinking of as being noisy. The Proxxon
> IB/E is quiet, even at high speed, and milling away on metal.
>
> So in conclusion, if you own a SIEG X2 (Micro-Mark, MicroLux #82573
> sale price $483.95), and you want a good price / value solution for
> engraving, and sculpting of wood, plastic, aluminum, and brass
> (maybe even steel) you may want to consider the KDN Tool Proxxon
> IB/E, and mount for your machine. It will probably mount on an X1,
> or X3 with a modification to the mount design, but you'll have to
> ask KDN Tool. Well I'm tired from hauling and stacking wood all
> day. Have a good night, and God bless you all.
>
> Bill Perun
>