Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Thanks - was: Things to check? is now: RUNNING~!
Posted by
Jon Elson
on 2003-09-18 08:53:18 UTC
Weyland wrote:
motor current when not moving.
turned into ten successive microsteps, which moves one full step (smoothly)
on the motor. In 10 ustep mode, the Gecko 210 becomes essentially a G201.
It moves only one tenth of a full step for each pulse from the computer.
step resolution of the driver can't make it move to more discrete positions.
(It can make it hunt like crazy.) Having the encoder with LESS resolution
than the driver means there are places you can go to, but you can't discern
that you are there. Even worse.
parts.
Theoretically, ignoring friction, each of these split steps is a discrete
psition the motor can be commanded to move to. Thus, your motors have
2000 step/rev, rather than the usual 200. And, the computer can command the
motor to move to any of those 2000 positions. When you use full step mode,
you only have the 200 full-step positions that can be addressed from the
computer.
Thus, 1/10th the resolution. Now, friction is a big player here, and
the motor
will not usually move at all when a 1/10th microstep is commanded, so the
true resolution won't be as good as 1/10th of a step.
tradeoffs in this CNC business, there are never any hard and fast rules that
say one choice is always the best.
Jon
>Well, these are 7.5A motors according to the paperwork, but I mightYou should make sure the idle-low power mode is turned on. It reduces
>just try and drop them down to 6A on the Geckos to see what happens.
>(resistors are cheap)
>
>
motor current when not moving.
>I think this might be where I'm getting confused...Yes, that's right. On full-step, the step pulses are multiplied by 10, then
>I'm looking at the G210 guide that came with the Geckos, but only
>see the "full step", "half step", "5u step", & "10u step" jumper selections.
>
>Would the "full step" be 1X, and the "10u step" be 10X?
>
turned into ten successive microsteps, which moves one full step (smoothly)
on the motor. In 10 ustep mode, the Gecko 210 becomes essentially a G201.
It moves only one tenth of a full step for each pulse from the computer.
>Is this resolution you speak of related to encoder feedback?No, it really won't. Having an encoder with greater resolution that the
>In other words, if I get the encoders wired up and the DRO board
>in place, will this help with this resolution, or is that something different?
>
>
step resolution of the driver can't make it move to more discrete positions.
(It can make it hunt like crazy.) Having the encoder with LESS resolution
than the driver means there are places you can go to, but you can't discern
that you are there. Even worse.
>And why would multiplying the steps give me poor resoltion?If you use a G201, or the G210 10 ustep mode, you split a step into 10
>
parts.
Theoretically, ignoring friction, each of these split steps is a discrete
psition the motor can be commanded to move to. Thus, your motors have
2000 step/rev, rather than the usual 200. And, the computer can command the
motor to move to any of those 2000 positions. When you use full step mode,
you only have the 200 full-step positions that can be addressed from the
computer.
Thus, 1/10th the resolution. Now, friction is a big player here, and
the motor
will not usually move at all when a 1/10th microstep is commanded, so the
true resolution won't be as good as 1/10th of a step.
>I'm confused again...We're doing our best to keep you there, or so it seems. There are so many
>
>
>
tradeoffs in this CNC business, there are never any hard and fast rules that
say one choice is always the best.
Jon
Discussion Thread
Weyland Smith
2003-09-16 21:38:38 UTC
Things to check? Crispy Fried Geckos? No motion...
Tim Goldstein
2003-09-16 22:11:53 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Things to check? Crispy Fried Geckos? No motion...
Weyland
2003-09-16 22:51:40 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Things to check? Crispy Fried Geckos? No motion...
Tim Goldstein
2003-09-16 23:07:26 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Things to check? Crispy Fried Geckos? No motion...
turbulatordude
2003-09-17 05:03:31 UTC
Re: Things to check? Crispy Fried Geckos? No motion...
James Cullins
2003-09-17 06:30:51 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Things to check? Crispy Fried Geckos? No motion...
James Cullins
2003-09-17 06:30:51 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Things to check? Crispy Fried Geckos? No motion...
Tim Goldstein
2003-09-17 07:53:25 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Things to check? Crispy Fried Geckos? No motion...
Jon Elson
2003-09-17 10:37:38 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Things to check? Crispy Fried Geckos? No motion...
Alan Marconett KM6VV
2003-09-17 10:39:02 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Things to check? Crispy Fried Geckos? No motion...
Alan Marconett KM6VV
2003-09-17 11:11:18 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Things to check? Crispy Fried Geckos? No motion...
Tim Goldstein
2003-09-17 12:08:59 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Things to check? Crispy Fried Geckos? No motion...
James Cullins
2003-09-17 12:32:37 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Things to check? Crispy Fried Geckos? No motion...
Weyland
2003-09-17 19:45:49 UTC
Thanks - was: Things to check? is now: RUNNING~!
Jon Elson
2003-09-17 22:31:38 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Thanks - was: Things to check? is now: RUNNING~!
Tim Goldstein
2003-09-17 22:39:00 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Thanks - was: Things to check? is now: RUNNING~!
Weyland
2003-09-18 06:46:45 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Thanks - was: Things to check? is now: RUNNING~!
Weyland
2003-09-18 06:59:02 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Thanks - was: Things to check? is now: RUNNING~!
turbulatordude
2003-09-18 07:51:25 UTC
Re: Thanks - was: Things to check? is now: RUNNING~!
Tim Goldstein
2003-09-18 08:09:15 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Thanks - was: Things to check? is now: RUNNING~!
Weyland
2003-09-18 08:14:42 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Thanks - was: Things to check? is now: RUNNING~!
Statman Designs, LLC
2003-09-18 08:26:23 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Thanks - was: Things to check? is now: RUNNING~!
Jon Elson
2003-09-18 08:41:10 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Thanks - was: Things to check? is now: RUNNING~!
turbulatordude
2003-09-18 08:41:37 UTC
Re: Thanks - was: Things to check? is now: RUNNING~!
Jon Elson
2003-09-18 08:53:18 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Thanks - was: Things to check? is now: RUNNING~!
Jon Elson
2003-09-18 08:54:23 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Thanks - was: Things to check? is now: RUNNING~!
turbulatordude
2003-09-18 09:15:51 UTC
Re: Thanks - was: Things to check? is now: - resoulution
sam sokolik
2003-09-18 10:28:10 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Thanks - was: Things to check? is now: RUNNING~!
Weyland
2003-09-19 20:57:49 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Thanks - was: Things to check? is now: RUNNING~!
Weyland
2003-09-19 21:01:46 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Thanks - was: Things to check? is now: RUNNING~!
Weyland
2003-09-19 21:04:10 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Thanks - was: Things to check? is now: RUNNING~!
Weyland
2003-09-19 21:11:09 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Thanks - was: Things to check? is now: RUNNING~!
Weyland
2003-09-19 21:16:16 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Thanks - was: Things to check? is now: RUNNING~!
JanRwl@A...
2003-09-19 21:19:34 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Thanks - was: Things to check? is now: RUNNING~!
Weyland
2003-09-19 21:21:03 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Thanks - was: Things to check? is now: RUNNING~!
Weyland
2003-09-19 21:25:50 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Thanks - was: Things to check? is now: RUNNING~!
Weyland
2003-09-19 21:34:05 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Thanks - was: Things to check? is now: RUNNING~!
Weyland
2003-09-19 21:36:06 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Thanks - was: Things to check? is now: RUNNING~!
Antonius J.M. Groothuizen
2003-09-19 22:02:37 UTC
Re: Thanks - was: Things to check? is now: RUNNING~!
Tim Goldstein
2003-09-19 22:06:07 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Thanks - was: Things to check? is now: RUNNING~!
Tim Goldstein
2003-09-19 22:06:08 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Thanks - was: Things to check? is now: RUNNING~!
Tim Goldstein
2003-09-19 22:06:13 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Thanks - was: Things to check? is now: RUNNING~!
Tim Goldstein
2003-09-19 22:06:23 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Thanks - was: Things to check? is now: RUNNING~!
Jon Elson
2003-09-19 23:52:09 UTC
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turbulatordude
2003-09-20 07:41:36 UTC
Re: Thanks - was: Things to check? back to basics - please
Weyland
2003-09-20 20:19:18 UTC
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Weyland
2003-09-20 20:43:44 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Thanks - was: Things to check? is now: RUNNING~!
Weyland
2003-09-20 21:14:08 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Thanks - was: Things to check? is now: RUNNING~!
Jon Elson
2003-09-21 09:26:32 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Thanks - was: Things to check? is now: RUNNING~!
Weyland
2003-09-22 09:31:18 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Thanks - was: Things to check? is now: RUNNING~!
Jon Elson
2003-09-22 11:14:22 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Thanks - was: Things to check? is now: RUNNING~!
Weyland
2003-09-22 11:24:23 UTC
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Jon Elson
2003-09-22 20:46:02 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Thanks - was: Things to check? is now: RUNNING~!
Weyland
2003-09-22 22:07:18 UTC
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