Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Another router video..

B,

"Distance to go on rapid move with this would be pointless :-), by the time I looked at the DRO and mentally calculated the physical movement it would already be there and headed somewhere else..

Ron



ballendo <ballendo@...> wrote:
Ron,

Thanks for the reply. I didn't feel any flame from you at all.

I'm not being clear.

I don't want to see the cutting ACTION, I want to see the resulting
cut. So no need to risk outrunnng a cutter! Once the motion
stops, move on in and give us a look at the just cut surface(s)...

As for the rest, I think there's a pretty WIDE gulf between what I
asked for and what you've suggested would be excessive.

Steppers or servos? is NOT "please tell us exactly which motors
you're using, where you bought them, how they're wired, etc".

Linear bearing type? is NOT "make, model number and mounting method"

Rack/pinion or ballscrew or? is similarly vague, but still provides
exactly the kind of info that WILL provide the impetus to expanding
the hobby that you're saying is your reason for posting these videos.

BTW, part of the reason I havn't posted pics of some of my machines
is that they have some features that other machines don't. And I
don't want those all over cnczone before I'm ramped up for
production. So I COMPLETELY understand the reasoning behind only
showing what you want to show.

But come on, steppers or servos? is not gonna give anyone a leg
up on what you've done...

Ballendo

P.S. I started bugging Art to add distance-to-go DRO's to Mach years
ago. He kept putting me off. Anyways, I think it's interesting that
now with machine speeds going up, we've got them.
(Cuz I first found them useful when operating high speed machines.
"Errr, hit the FH! How far is that thing gonna go from here?! Phew!
we're okay. I thought it was gonna run into something!"...)

>In CCED, R Rogers wrote:
>B,
>I thought it would be nice to share some of the successes I've had

with others on the group(s). Mostly all I think have enjoyed them. A
few seem to have a problem with it. It was not my intent to start a
flame with anyone, I apologize for that. It was to show what can be
done with whats available to us hobbyists. If you're "Wow'd" by it
great. Personally, I'm wow'd by it. It's nice to show activity to go
along with words occasionally. If I had gotten on here and said "Hey
guess what, my router has 1800 ipm rapids" Do you think a few would
want me to prove it? I do, thats why I posted a video.

>
> Getting back to the close up of the engraving. I'm as close as I

wish to get with my digital camera around a cutter I could in no way
outrun. I'll see what I can do though.

>
> In the past, it's been almost demanded that I disclose fully,

every feature of it's construction. That would be like me suggesting
that every vendor on the groups disclose all of their contacts and
sources for items they provide to hobbyists. And while there at it
post all their wiring diagrams and PCB files for their boards,
including source codes for firmware. And when they resist, insinuate
they aren't in this for the good of the hobby. Would that be fair?
Everyone has a right to privacy and intellectual property to a
certain degree..

>
> I will say this, the good news, it's an low-cost machine to

build which means the retail price will be low. The bad news, it's
not an easy machine to build.

>
> The good thing about showing and not explaining is: It makes

folks think, it's great all the new ideas that have cropped up. Puts
the speculation outside the "box", thats good for all of us, and the
hobby.

>
> Thanks for your input, Ron
>
>
> ballendo wrote:
> Ron,
>
> I've spent some time in front of fast machines. Even the early

80's

> Cincy I retrofit last year could do 400IPM...
>
> I've operated 1100IPM machining centers.
> Also others--not machining centers-- at even faster rates. (sail
> plotters for example)
>
> your project Seems a nice machine. (What you've let us see, at
> least.)
>
> But high speed cnc operation is NOT new to me.
>
> So I'm asking specific questions about what I'm looking at...
>
> I'm NOT asking about corner rounding...
>
> I DO understand the effects of higher acceleration...
>
> I'm asking to SEE a close up of the CUT at these various rates
> you're showing.
>
> I've already asked about:
> linear guide type?
> steppers vs. servo's?
> Ballscrew, rack/pinion other?
>
> If the only purpose of showing us this is to WOW us, then okay.
>
> Wow.
>
> Care to give any answers to the questions asked?
>
> Ballendo
>
> P.S. I HAVE described my wood ducks and roadrunners in great

detail.

> I have chosen not to share pictures yet. When I do, there will be

no

> closeups only and blue tape.
>
> (But of course my machines have absolutely NOTHING to do
> with asking you questions about what you've decidesd to show us.)
> The machines are quite obviously designed for different market
> segments. I'm not planning 1800IPM wood ducks...
>
>
> --- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com, R Rogers
> wrote:
> >
> > On my computer(s) its very plain to see there is no corner
> rounding. You might try increasing video resolution. Or right

click

> your vid player and choose full screen. The key as I said earlier

is

> acceleration. The heck of it is, that was the first cycle of that
> routine. It would do it even faster. I've proven the speed is

there

> and much more importantly, speed with relative precision.
> Acceleration is the key to fast direction changes and keeping X

and

> Y in time with one another. I've moved on to other areas of design
> and testing.
> >
> > I'll post a video of it hole drilling later
> >
> > Thanks for your comments, Ron
> >
> >
> >
> > ballendo wrote:
> > >In CCED, R Rogers wrote:
> > >250 ipm programmed speed, 100% feedrate. Speed is not as

critical

> > >as acceleration. Cut quality is great. No corner rounding.
> > >You should post some video of the woodduck...
> > >Yeah, thats one reason for the blue tape. Way wipers have yet

to

> be
> > >designed. They will be.
> > >Thanks, Ron
> >
> > Ron,
> >
> > Thank you for the numbers, suggestion and explanation. Still

would

> > like to see a closeup of the actual cut (just zoomed in at the
> end).
> >
> > Ballendo
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > ballendo wrote:
> > > Ron,
> > >
> > > Nice video. What is the programmed speed?
> > >
> > > Can we see a close up of the finished engraving, to see cut
> > quality
> > > at this speed?
> > >
> > > Ballendo
> > >
> > > P.S. Do we have to use blue painter's tape to keep swarf off

the

> > > ways?
> > >
> > > --- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com, "rogersmach"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey Everyone,
> > > >
> > > > Playing with the new router again..
> > > >
> > > > Engraving text
> > > >
> > > > http://www.wikiupload.com/download_page.php?id=4581
> > > >
> > > > Ron
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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