Re: Another router video..

Ron,

That's not the way you use DTG with hi-speed machines...

It's like I said; You hit FH first, THEN look. Measure if need be.

If all's OK; press CS and get out of the way!

Or is that get out of the way and THEN press CS<G>

Ballendo

P.S. No other comments on my reply?

--- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com, R Rogers <rogersmach@...>
wrote:

>
> B,
>
> "Distance to go on rapid move with this would be pointless :-),

by the time I looked at the DRO and mentally calculated the physical
movement it would already be there and headed somewhere else..

>
> Ron
>
>
>
> ballendo <ballendo@...> wrote:
> Ron,
>
> Thanks for the reply. I didn't feel any flame from you at all.
>
> I'm not being clear.
>
> I don't want to see the cutting ACTION, I want to see the

resulting

> cut. So no need to risk outrunnng a cutter! Once the motion
> stops, move on in and give us a look at the just cut surface(s)...
>
> As for the rest, I think there's a pretty WIDE gulf between what I
> asked for and what you've suggested would be excessive.
>
> Steppers or servos? is NOT "please tell us exactly which motors
> you're using, where you bought them, how they're wired, etc".
>
> Linear bearing type? is NOT "make, model number and mounting

method"

>
> Rack/pinion or ballscrew or? is similarly vague, but still

provides

> exactly the kind of info that WILL provide the impetus to

expanding

> the hobby that you're saying is your reason for posting these

videos.

>
> BTW, part of the reason I havn't posted pics of some of my

machines

> is that they have some features that other machines don't. And I
> don't want those all over cnczone before I'm ramped up for
> production. So I COMPLETELY understand the reasoning behind only
> showing what you want to show.
>
> But come on, steppers or servos? is not gonna give anyone a leg
> up on what you've done...
>
> Ballendo
>
> P.S. I started bugging Art to add distance-to-go DRO's to Mach

years

> ago. He kept putting me off. Anyways, I think it's interesting

that

> now with machine speeds going up, we've got them.
> (Cuz I first found them useful when operating high speed machines.
> "Errr, hit the FH! How far is that thing gonna go from here?!

Phew!

> we're okay. I thought it was gonna run into something!"...)
>
>
> >In CCED, R Rogers wrote:
> >B,
> >I thought it would be nice to share some of the successes I've

had

> with others on the group(s). Mostly all I think have enjoyed them.

A

> few seem to have a problem with it. It was not my intent to start

a

> flame with anyone, I apologize for that. It was to show what can

be

> done with whats available to us hobbyists. If you're "Wow'd" by it
> great. Personally, I'm wow'd by it. It's nice to show activity to

go

> along with words occasionally. If I had gotten on here and

said "Hey

> guess what, my router has 1800 ipm rapids" Do you think a few

would

> want me to prove it? I do, thats why I posted a video.
> >
> > Getting back to the close up of the engraving. I'm as close as I
> wish to get with my digital camera around a cutter I could in no

way

> outrun. I'll see what I can do though.
> >
> > In the past, it's been almost demanded that I disclose fully,
> every feature of it's construction. That would be like me

suggesting

> that every vendor on the groups disclose all of their contacts and
> sources for items they provide to hobbyists. And while there at it
> post all their wiring diagrams and PCB files for their boards,
> including source codes for firmware. And when they resist,

insinuate

> they aren't in this for the good of the hobby. Would that be fair?
> Everyone has a right to privacy and intellectual property to a
> certain degree..
> >
> > I will say this, the good news, it's an low-cost machine to
> build which means the retail price will be low. The bad news, it's
> not an easy machine to build.
> >
> > The good thing about showing and not explaining is: It makes
> folks think, it's great all the new ideas that have cropped up.

Puts

> the speculation outside the "box", thats good for all of us, and

the

> hobby.
> >
> > Thanks for your input, Ron
> >
> >
> > ballendo wrote:
> > Ron,
> >
> > I've spent some time in front of fast machines. Even the early
> 80's
> > Cincy I retrofit last year could do 400IPM...
> >
> > I've operated 1100IPM machining centers.
> > Also others--not machining centers-- at even faster rates. (sail
> > plotters for example)
> >
> > your project Seems a nice machine. (What you've let us see, at
> > least.)
> >
> > But high speed cnc operation is NOT new to me.
> >
> > So I'm asking specific questions about what I'm looking at...
> >
> > I'm NOT asking about corner rounding...
> >
> > I DO understand the effects of higher acceleration...
> >
> > I'm asking to SEE a close up of the CUT at these various rates
> > you're showing.
> >
> > I've already asked about:
> > linear guide type?
> > steppers vs. servo's?
> > Ballscrew, rack/pinion other?
> >
> > If the only purpose of showing us this is to WOW us, then okay.
> >
> > Wow.
> >
> > Care to give any answers to the questions asked?
> >
> > Ballendo
> >
> > P.S. I HAVE described my wood ducks and roadrunners in great
> detail.
> > I have chosen not to share pictures yet. When I do, there will

be

> no
> > closeups only and blue tape.
> >
> > (But of course my machines have absolutely NOTHING to do
> > with asking you questions about what you've decidesd to show

us.)

> > The machines are quite obviously designed for different market
> > segments. I'm not planning 1800IPM wood ducks...
> >
> >
> > --- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com, R Rogers
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On my computer(s) its very plain to see there is no corner
> > rounding. You might try increasing video resolution. Or right
> click
> > your vid player and choose full screen. The key as I said

earlier

> is
> > acceleration. The heck of it is, that was the first cycle of

that

> > routine. It would do it even faster. I've proven the speed is
> there
> > and much more importantly, speed with relative precision.
> > Acceleration is the key to fast direction changes and keeping X
> and
> > Y in time with one another. I've moved on to other areas of

design

> > and testing.
> > >
> > > I'll post a video of it hole drilling later
> > >
> > > Thanks for your comments, Ron
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ballendo wrote:
> > > >In CCED, R Rogers wrote:
> > > >250 ipm programmed speed, 100% feedrate. Speed is not as
> critical
> > > >as acceleration. Cut quality is great. No corner rounding.
> > > >You should post some video of the woodduck...
> > > >Yeah, thats one reason for the blue tape. Way wipers have yet
> to
> > be
> > > >designed. They will be.
> > > >Thanks, Ron
> > >
> > > Ron,
> > >
> > > Thank you for the numbers, suggestion and explanation. Still
> would
> > > like to see a closeup of the actual cut (just zoomed in at the
> > end).
> > >
> > > Ballendo
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ballendo wrote:
> > > > Ron,
> > > >
> > > > Nice video. What is the programmed speed?
> > > >
> > > > Can we see a close up of the finished engraving, to see cut
> > > quality
> > > > at this speed?
> > > >
> > > > Ballendo
> > > >
> > > > P.S. Do we have to use blue painter's tape to keep swarf off
> the
> > > > ways?
> > > >
> > > > --- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com, "rogersmach"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey Everyone,
> > > > >
> > > > > Playing with the new router again..
> > > > >
> > > > > Engraving text
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.wikiupload.com/download_page.php?id=4581
> > > > >
> > > > > Ron
> > > > >
> > > >
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