Re: Yeager CNC Pro and relay settings

Hi Jim,

The SSR is 4-32Vdc

Shelby


--- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com, "James Cullins"
<jcullins@c...> wrote:

> If it were me I would put a 2n4401 transistor between the two.
> Use a 4.7k resistor form pin 1 PC port to base of transistor
> emitter to PCgnd collector to the - input to the SSR and the +

input to the

> SSR to the gameport 5v pin. When the PC port pin1 goes high it

will turn

> the transistor on which will turn on the SSR. Is the SSR rated 3v

to 32v ?

> Jim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "shelbyshepherd2002" <cabrillo_shepherd@m...>
> To: <CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 4:19 PM
> Subject: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Yeager CNC Pro and relay settings
>
>
> > ---
> > Hi Alan,
> >
> > I will have to check the swing and cable when I get to work.
> >
> > The 5 Volt to the + term on the SSR is from the games port
> > (pin1...this does work) and the ground term on the SSR is

connected

> > to the pin 1 into the PP port. Is this wired wrong?
> >
> > The machine runs and appears to do all its movements execept for

the

> > SSR part not working.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> > Shelby
> >
> >
> > In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com, Alan Marconett KM6VV
> > <KM6VV@a...> wrote:
> > > Hi Shelby,
> > >
> > > The 110V Crydom SSS sounds like what I use. You should be

able to

> > put a
> > > digital meter across the input of the SSS and see the voltage
> > swing. If
> > > not, check the wiring. Some "printer" cables DON'T have all 25
> > wires.
> > > Make sure yours do.
> > >
> > > Humm, 4-32 would cut down your noise immunity a little. TTL

swings

> > > about .4 - 4.5V. And some parallel ports (especially notebook
> > > computers) can't swing that far. SSS also require a minimum
> > OUTPUT SIDE
> > > voltage, I think the Crydom's is about 48V.
> > >
> > > So first, determine the voltage swing that you have across the
> > input
> > > pins. If the swing (in response to M03 and M05 commands) is

NOT

> > there,
> > > try another cable and/or PC, and check the port address

setting in

> > the
> > > controller program.
> > >
> > > If the switch operation is backwards, reverse the controller
> > program
> > > setting.
> > >
> > > Check the +5V supplied to the + terminal of the SSS. This

supply

> > must
> > > have it's ground connected to the computer's ground (pins 18-

25 of

> > PP
> > > cable).
> > >
> > > In fact, why not substitute a LED and a 220 ohm resistor in

series

> > for
> > > the SSS? Connect it like the little symbols for the SSS.
> > >
> > > Are you already using this PP for the stepper signals (I would
> > assume)?
> > > do they run? That checks out quite a lot. The LED and

resistor

> > can
> > > also be connected to your direction pin for one of the motors.
> > Moving
> > > first forward and then reverse should toggle the LED.
> > >
> > > HTH
> > >
> > > Alan KM6VV
> > >
> > > shelbyshepherd2002 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Allan,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your help.
> > > >
> > > > The SSR I'm using is an ESR brand model ESR 2002400300 4-32

Vdc

> > > > input and 240 Vac 3 amp output
> > > > Jan Rowland suggested last week that I use a Crydom SSR model
> > > > D2W202F 3-32Vdc, nominal Input Impedance 1500 Ohm, Typical

Input

> > > > Current @ 5volt 3.0 mAdc, Must Turn On Voltage 3.0 Vdc, Must

Turn

> > > > Off Voltage 1.0 Vdc.
> > > > (The ESR brand was the lowest voltage I could procure as I'm

in

> > New
> > > > Zealand and some parts are really hard to source)
> > > >
> > > > Web site for ESR company:
> > > > http://web3.eceusa.com:9000/product/product_index.htm.
> > > >
> > > > It is turning a 110 Vac, 5VA solinoid on and off for an air
> > > > cylinder.
> > > >
> > > > You say it needs to be 3 - 30 volt control type, the unit

that is

> > > > being used is 4-32 volt, could this be the problem why it may
> > not be
> > > > working?
> > > >
> > > > Here is the G code for the CNC Pro for the user defined

output

> > > > switches: http://www.yeagerautomation.com/specs.htm
> > > > M03 user defined output 1 on
> > > > M04 user defined output 4 on
> > > > M05 user defined output 1 & 4 off
> > > > M07 user defined output 2 on
> > > > M08 user defined output 3 on
> > > > M09 user defined output 2 & 3 off
> > > > M10 user defined output 4 on
> > > > M11 user defined output 4 off
> > > >
> > > > I got a bit lost on the computer language below, how would

you

> > apply
> > > > that?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks again. Great newsgroup.
> > > >
> > > > Shelby
> > > >
> > > > Mariss from Gecko if you are reading this.....I have not

received

> > > > the Gecko driver yet for Sam @ Global Electronics,

Christchurch

> > New
> > > > Zealand, maybe it will be in the post next week.
> > > >
> > > > --- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com, Alan Marconett KM6VV
> > > > <KM6VV@a...> wrote:
> > > > > Hi Shelby,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for the complements. I was wondering if anyone had
> > seen it!
> > > > >
> > > > > The resistor is probably not needed, however it did help

on one

> > > > > computer.
> > > > >
> > > > > M01 is optional stop, you probably mean M03 for spindle CW

on?

> > > > >
> > > > > This is ESSENTIALLY what I do in 'C' for the spindle:
> > > > >
> > > > > M3_OUTPUT_PIN = 1;
> > > > > M4_OUTPUT_PIN = 2;
> > > > > CMD_MASK = 0x1B;
> > > > > SPP_CMD = 2;
> > > > >
> > > > > /* for M03 Spindle CW */
> > > > > Mbits &= ~M3_OUTPUT_PIN; /* I n (pin

1)

> > > > strobe */
> > > > > Mbits |= M4_OUTPUT_PIN; /* I n (pin

14)

> > > > autofd */
> > > > > Mbits ^= CMD_MASK; /* flip bits
> > > > */
> > > > > outp(LPTbase + SPP_CMD, Mbits); /* out cmd
> > > > */
> > > > >
> > > > > /* for M04 Spindle CCW */
> > > > > Mbits &= ~M4_OUTPUT_PIN; /* I n (pin

14)

> > > > autofd */
> > > > > Mbits |= M3_OUTPUT_PIN; /* I n (pin

1)

> > > > strobe */
> > > > > Mbits ^= CMD_MASK; /* flip bits
> > > > */
> > > > > outp(LPTbase + SPP_CMD, Mbits); /* out cmd
> > > > */
> > > > >
> > > > > /* for M05 spindle OFF */
> > > > > Mbits |= M4_OUTPUT_PIN; /* I n (pin

14)

> > > > autofd */
> > > > > Mbits |= M3_OUTPUT_PIN; /* I n (pin

1)

> > > > strobe */
> > > > > Mbits ^= CMD_MASK; /* flip bits
> > > > */
> > > > > outp(LPTbase + SPP_CMD, Mbits); /* out cmd
> > > > */
> > > > >
> > > > > Don't know if this helps, but you'll see that we end

setting

> > the
> > > > bit to
> > > > > 1 to cause the printer line to go Active low. It all gets
> > tricky
> > > > as the
> > > > > parallel port inverts some lines, and not others.
> > > > >
> > > > > Check with Yeager (or just try it both ways) on the

setting in

> > > > CNCpro.
> > > > > I'd guess you've got it backwards for this wiring. We

want the

> > > > line to
> > > > > go LOW on activation, and HIGH to turn it off. The SSS has
> > it's +5
> > > > > connected to +5, and it's - connected to the printer line.
> > When
> > > > the
> > > > > line goes low (.5V), there is 5V across the SSS, and it

turns

> > on.
> > > > The
> > > > > SSS must be the 3-30V control type, and you must be

switching

> > at
> > > > least
> > > > > 24VAC, as I recall.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you don't see the line (pin 1 of parallel port) change

as

> > you
> > > > issue
> > > > > the M03 or M05, then the PP address is possibly incorrect.
> > > > >
> > > > > HTH
> > > > >
> > > > > Alan KM6VV
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > shelbyshepherd2002 wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Alan,fortino,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I had wired my machine from your wiring diagram Alan,

(very

> > easy
> > > > to
> > > > > > follow, thank you)
> > > > > > I forgot to mention, had a dwell time in the test code
> > between
> > > > M01
> > > > > > (on)and M05 (off), when it got to M01 line the LED was

off

> > and
> > > > come
> > > > > > on at the dwell line and off on the M04 line.
> > > > > > There was no reading on a test meter on any lines.
> > > > > > The setting is on "default" which is HIGH in CNC Pro.
> > > > > > There is no resistor installed, is this really necessory

on

> > your
> > > > > > wiring diagram Alan?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Shelby
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com, Alan Marconett

KM6VV

> > > > > > <KM6VV@a...> wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi Fortino, Shelby,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > To drive a load like a SSS, you want the parallel port

to

> > SINK
> > > > > > current.
> > > > > > > Some parallel ports cannot SOURCE current as you

describe.

> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I suggest you connect the + of the SSS to +5V, and pin

1 to

> > > > the -
> > > > > > > terminal. then when the pin goes low (>.5V or so),

the SSS

> > > > will
> > > > > > turn
> > > > > > > on.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My DriverPS PDF in the files of this group might be of
> > help:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO/files/DriverPS/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > HTH
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Alan KM6VV
> > > > > > > SherlineCNC
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > fortino wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > First, Pin 1 should be +5 V when it is turn on (set

high

> > when
> > > > > > enabled). The
> > > > > > > > negative should go to the logic ground.
> > > > > > > > Don't forget to put small resistance ( I use 0.5-1

ohm

> > > > > > resistor). Just in
> > > > > > > > case you short your parallel port output.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Second, to turn on the Output 1 the G code should be

M03,

> > > > while
> > > > > > to turn off
> > > > > > > > the Output 1 the G code is M05.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Fortino
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "shelbyshepherd2002" <cabrillo_shepherd@m...>
> > > > > > > > To: <CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 4:53 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Yeager CNC Pro and relay
> > settings
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I need some help on the settings within CNC pro

for a

> > solid
> > > > > > state
> > > > > > > > > relay to activate a solinoid.
> > > > > > > > > It is using pin 1 to the neg on the relay and 5

volt to

> > > > > > positive
> > > > > > > > > from games port, should it be set on high or low?
> > > > > > > > > This is the sample G code I used to test with but

the

> > relay
> > > > > > did not
> > > > > > > > > appear to work.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > G01 X5 Y5
> > > > > > > > > M01 (to turn on)
> > > > > > > > > M0 (to turn off)
> > > > > > > > > X0 Y0
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Any ideas welcome on settings or a sample G code to
> > test
> > > > with.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
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