Re: What size capacitor should I use?
Posted by
caudlet
on 2005-01-26 08:00:51 UTC
--- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com, Simon Arthur <chroma@m...>
wrote:
frequency on a standard linear supply is 120hz. Motors don't need
ultra low ripple DC (like audio) but do need the ability to supply
current for motor peaks.
I most circumstances builders are over designing the power circuits
by several factors. To simply take the motor plate rating then
multiply by the number of motors then add in some "fudge factor" is
to oversize and overpay for the supply. On chopper type circuits you
will find the average current draw to be a lot less than the max
ratings on the motor. In additon not many people run all 3 (4)
motors full out at the same time. Most people feel good that they
have extra capacity in their power supply just sitting there for the
day something shorts and there is enough reserve power to weld
components to the chassis (:-)
Things like transformers have the ability to supply several times
their average current rating in short bursts. Semiconductor circuits
have to be designed using instantaneous peak ratings while passive
components are based on average values over time.
I think the 100% overvoltage rating is extremely conservative. It
works fine for small caps where the price difference is a few pennies
but in big filter caps you pay a lot for that wider margin. The
manufacture arrives at those ratings based on worst case tests of
ripple, temperature and time. The voltage rating is not an "explode
now" level. Most engineers are comfortable with 30 to 50% ratings
over the high line voltage.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it!!
wrote:
> You may end up with higher ripple on the output voltage if yourcapacity
> is too large.The higher the value of capacitor the *lower* the ripple. The ripple
>
> A. G. Eckstein wrote:
frequency on a standard linear supply is 120hz. Motors don't need
ultra low ripple DC (like audio) but do need the ability to supply
current for motor peaks.
I most circumstances builders are over designing the power circuits
by several factors. To simply take the motor plate rating then
multiply by the number of motors then add in some "fudge factor" is
to oversize and overpay for the supply. On chopper type circuits you
will find the average current draw to be a lot less than the max
ratings on the motor. In additon not many people run all 3 (4)
motors full out at the same time. Most people feel good that they
have extra capacity in their power supply just sitting there for the
day something shorts and there is enough reserve power to weld
components to the chassis (:-)
Things like transformers have the ability to supply several times
their average current rating in short bursts. Semiconductor circuits
have to be designed using instantaneous peak ratings while passive
components are based on average values over time.
I think the 100% overvoltage rating is extremely conservative. It
works fine for small caps where the price difference is a few pennies
but in big filter caps you pay a lot for that wider margin. The
manufacture arrives at those ratings based on worst case tests of
ripple, temperature and time. The voltage rating is not an "explode
now" level. Most engineers are comfortable with 30 to 50% ratings
over the high line voltage.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it!!
Discussion Thread
rllalonde2000
2005-01-26 04:28:01 UTC
What size capacitor should I use?
A. G. Eckstein
2005-01-26 04:58:31 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] What size capacitor should I use?
Simon Arthur
2005-01-26 05:38:23 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] What size capacitor should I use?
R Rogers
2005-01-26 06:56:31 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] What size capacitor should I use?
Terrenoire, Adrien L
2005-01-26 07:00:14 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] What size capacitor should I use?
Andy Wander
2005-01-26 07:01:23 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] What size capacitor should I use?
turbulatordude
2005-01-26 07:07:50 UTC
Re: What size capacitor should I use? - voltage ?
A. G. Eckstein
2005-01-26 07:13:30 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] What size capacitor should I use?
caudlet
2005-01-26 08:00:51 UTC
Re: What size capacitor should I use?
Bengt
2005-01-26 09:11:26 UTC
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Jon Elson
2005-01-26 09:28:27 UTC
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Roy J. Tellason
2005-01-26 09:44:34 UTC
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turbulatordude
2005-01-26 09:58:26 UTC
Re: What size capacitor should I use?
Andy Wander
2005-01-26 10:19:07 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: What size capacitor should I use?
caudlet
2005-01-26 11:29:56 UTC
Re: What size capacitor should I use?
Roy J. Tellason
2005-01-26 11:41:56 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: What size capacitor should I use?
Rob Polley
2005-01-26 11:43:12 UTC
Looking for advice
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2005-01-26 12:18:29 UTC
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Codesuidae
2005-01-26 12:34:15 UTC
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2005-01-26 12:55:47 UTC
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2005-01-26 13:38:53 UTC
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John
2005-01-26 14:04:29 UTC
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Simon Arthur
2005-01-26 14:09:40 UTC
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erie
2005-01-26 14:33:11 UTC
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Stephen Wille Padnos
2005-01-26 14:37:28 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] What size capacitor should I use?
R Rogers
2005-01-26 14:56:53 UTC
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JanRwl@A...
2005-01-26 15:04:42 UTC
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Les Newell
2005-01-26 15:05:07 UTC
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cnc_4_me
2005-01-26 15:08:24 UTC
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2005-01-26 15:10:21 UTC
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cnc_4_me
2005-01-26 15:23:15 UTC
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JanRwl@A...
2005-01-26 15:40:19 UTC
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R Rogers
2005-01-26 15:49:48 UTC
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cnc_4_me
2005-01-26 15:55:58 UTC
Re: What size capacitor should I use?
cnc_4_me
2005-01-26 16:14:14 UTC
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2005-01-26 16:18:19 UTC
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Ron Ginger
2005-01-26 17:01:36 UTC
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polaraligned
2005-01-26 17:09:38 UTC
What size capacitor should I use?
Polaraligned
2005-01-26 17:25:09 UTC
Re: Toroidal transformer ratings?? Amps? Kv? Kva?
R Rogers
2005-01-26 17:29:00 UTC
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cnc_4_me
2005-01-26 18:05:05 UTC
Re: What size capacitor should I use?
victorlorenzo@y...
2005-01-26 18:19:00 UTC
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codeSuidae
2005-01-26 18:32:59 UTC
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cnc_4_me
2005-01-26 18:54:06 UTC
Re: What size capacitor should I use?
Ken Langston
2005-01-26 18:56:05 UTC
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cnc_4_me
2005-01-26 19:01:47 UTC
Re: Toroidal transformer ratings?? Amps? Kv? Kva?
Rob Polley
2005-01-26 19:24:26 UTC
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codeSuidae
2005-01-26 19:26:51 UTC
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2005-01-26 19:35:49 UTC
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2005-01-26 19:37:07 UTC
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bobmcknight@c...
2005-01-26 19:37:08 UTC
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cnc_4_me
2005-01-26 19:54:55 UTC
Re: What size capacitor should I use?
turbulatordude
2005-01-26 19:57:22 UTC
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cnc_4_me
2005-01-26 20:08:00 UTC
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2005-01-26 21:34:22 UTC
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2005-01-26 21:43:19 UTC
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codeSuidae
2005-01-26 21:56:30 UTC
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Jon Elson
2005-01-26 21:56:33 UTC
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Mariss Freimanis
2005-01-26 21:58:04 UTC
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Jon Elson
2005-01-26 22:08:03 UTC
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JanRwl@A...
2005-01-26 22:09:14 UTC
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Jon Elson
2005-01-26 22:22:35 UTC
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Jon Elson
2005-01-26 22:29:43 UTC
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Jon Elson
2005-01-26 22:33:41 UTC
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Simon Arthur
2005-01-27 00:01:53 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] What size capacitor should I use?
Polaraligned
2005-01-27 04:15:31 UTC
Re: What size capacitor should I use?
Polaraligned
2005-01-27 04:29:29 UTC
Re: Toroidal transformer ratings?? What after being rectified?
turbulatordude
2005-01-27 06:26:30 UTC
Re: What size capacitor should I use? resistor or not ??
turbulatordude
2005-01-27 06:45:41 UTC
Re: Toroidal transformer ratings?? What after being rectified?
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2005-01-27 07:04:52 UTC
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Jon Elson
2005-01-27 10:30:37 UTC
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Jon Elson
2005-01-27 10:40:20 UTC
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cnc_4_me
2005-01-27 10:47:17 UTC
Re: Toroidal transformer ratings?? What after being rectified?
Les Newell
2005-01-27 12:49:45 UTC
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Polaraligned
2005-01-27 13:39:18 UTC
Re: Toroidal transformer ratings?? What after being rectified?
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2005-01-27 14:44:25 UTC
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2005-01-27 18:13:16 UTC
Re: Toroidal transformer ratings?? What after being rectified?
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2005-01-27 18:18:44 UTC
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2005-01-27 18:28:46 UTC
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Jon Elson
2005-01-27 21:35:23 UTC
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Kevin Martin
2005-01-28 05:32:28 UTC
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m0nkey0ne
2005-01-28 11:22:47 UTC
Re: Toroidal transformer ratings?? What after being rectified?
Mcginnis, Darrell S
2005-03-22 14:43:20 UTC
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