Re: What size capacitor should I use?
Posted by
cnc_4_me
on 2005-01-26 18:05:05 UTC
Attn CNC power supply people...Please DO NOT put a resistor between
your bridge rectifer and your capacitor...Because of the time
constant increase (T=RxC)x5, you will render the recovery of
capacitor voltage to be to long in time to be of any use to PWM
drives...
T = time in seconds
R = resistance in ohms
C = capacitance in farads
X 5 = 6 time constants for a full charge
example... Power supply has 30,000Uf and you add a .5 ohm resistor.
C = 30,000Uf is 10,000 to the minus 6 farad.
R = .5 ohm
T = C x R
T = .03farad x .5 ohms = .015 seconds for 1 time constant.
It takes 5 time constants to charge a capacitor...So..
5 x .015 seconds = .075 seconds for capacitor to recover...
.075 seconds = 75mS = 75000uS
We are PWMing around 22khz or 22,000 cps..At this frequency each
chopped wave can be as small as 1/22,000 = .0000454 seconds...Or..
.0454mS....Or 45.4uS
With resistor in circuit it takes 75mS to recover and we need a fully
charged cap in .045mS....Adding a .5 ohm resistor makes the system
75mS/.0454mS = 1670 times to slow.
And now you can see why many power supplys use buss bar or very heavy
wire....
Wally
--- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com, polaraligned
<polaraligned@o...> wrote:
your bridge rectifer and your capacitor...Because of the time
constant increase (T=RxC)x5, you will render the recovery of
capacitor voltage to be to long in time to be of any use to PWM
drives...
T = time in seconds
R = resistance in ohms
C = capacitance in farads
X 5 = 6 time constants for a full charge
example... Power supply has 30,000Uf and you add a .5 ohm resistor.
C = 30,000Uf is 10,000 to the minus 6 farad.
R = .5 ohm
T = C x R
T = .03farad x .5 ohms = .015 seconds for 1 time constant.
It takes 5 time constants to charge a capacitor...So..
5 x .015 seconds = .075 seconds for capacitor to recover...
.075 seconds = 75mS = 75000uS
We are PWMing around 22khz or 22,000 cps..At this frequency each
chopped wave can be as small as 1/22,000 = .0000454 seconds...Or..
.0454mS....Or 45.4uS
With resistor in circuit it takes 75mS to recover and we need a fully
charged cap in .045mS....Adding a .5 ohm resistor makes the system
75mS/.0454mS = 1670 times to slow.
And now you can see why many power supplys use buss bar or very heavy
wire....
Wally
--- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com, polaraligned
<polaraligned@o...> wrote:
>may
>
>
> >Huh? Larger capacitance will REDUCE voltage ripple (although it
> >increaseresistor
> >peak current from the rectifier).
>
> >Jon
>
>
> I think good design practice would be putting in a small value
> between
> the bridge rectifier and the capacitor. This would "soften up" the
> tremendous
> surge the cap sees at turn on.
>
> Scott
Discussion Thread
rllalonde2000
2005-01-26 04:28:01 UTC
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2005-01-26 11:43:12 UTC
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2005-01-26 15:10:21 UTC
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2005-01-26 18:54:06 UTC
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2005-01-26 18:56:05 UTC
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2005-01-26 19:54:55 UTC
Re: What size capacitor should I use?
turbulatordude
2005-01-26 19:57:22 UTC
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2005-01-26 20:08:00 UTC
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2005-01-26 21:34:22 UTC
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2005-01-26 21:56:33 UTC
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2005-01-26 22:08:03 UTC
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2005-01-26 22:22:35 UTC
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2005-01-26 22:29:43 UTC
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Jon Elson
2005-01-26 22:33:41 UTC
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Simon Arthur
2005-01-27 00:01:53 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] What size capacitor should I use?
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2005-01-27 04:15:31 UTC
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2005-01-27 04:29:29 UTC
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2005-01-27 06:45:41 UTC
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2005-01-27 07:04:52 UTC
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2005-01-27 10:30:37 UTC
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2005-01-27 10:40:20 UTC
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2005-01-27 10:47:17 UTC
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Les Newell
2005-01-27 12:49:45 UTC
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Re: Toroidal transformer ratings?? What after being rectified?
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2005-01-27 14:44:25 UTC
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2005-01-27 18:18:44 UTC
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2005-01-27 18:28:46 UTC
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2005-01-27 21:35:23 UTC
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2005-01-28 05:32:28 UTC
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2005-01-28 11:22:47 UTC
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2005-03-22 14:43:20 UTC
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