The best stepper driver??? was Re: Stepper questions

Hi Ballendo,
Indeed you should have a better success rate with an entire
package, rather than simply selling components. Of course this means
you loose some of those DIY guys that like to save a couple bucks and
put it together themselves. The biggest cost factor (for me anyway)
is labor. It going to be yours or theirs. For many of them, their
labor is "free", while I'm pretty sure your isn't :-)

Jeff


--- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com, "ballendo" <ballendo@...>
wrote:

>
> Jeff,
>
> Great post.
>
> You point out exactly why I'm promoting a plug-and-cut fully
> integrated, assembled and tested solution...
>
> After 5 years in these forums, it's pretty apparent to me that the
> major failures in DIY-CNC are in the electronics end of things. As
> you say, most of that is due to mistakes caused by the excitement

or

> apprehension of working in an area one is unfamiliar with.
>
> By putting it all together as a system this is minimised, and a

GeoM

> customer can get expected, reliable results without fear of blowing
> something up...
>
> Ballendo
>
> P.S. Prior posts by Mariss have given the numbers behind his return
> bucket<G> In that post he also agreed with you that while many
> thousands of his drives go into products and live long useful

lives;

> it is this CNC community which provides the "joy" of discovering

all

> the ways things can go wrong<G> Thankfully he enjoys us enough to
> tolerate this and even joke about it.
>
> --- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com, "jeffalanp" <xylotex@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > The largest cause of 3977SED drives "popping", when a SLA7062
> will
> > not, is when a person disconnects a motor when it is under

power.

> As
> > noted, the 3977 drive chip is specified for a max of 35VDC. As
> has
> > also been stated in earlier post of this topic, when you
> disconnect a
> > live motor wire you can get high (double?) voltage produced.
> > Running a 3977SED at about 30VDC would yield a voltage of around
> > 60VDC. Very bad for the chip. On the other hand, the 7062 MUST
> > handle the double voltage rating to cover the disconnected
> > transistor, because that is how unipolar drives work. So, the

guy

> > who innocently (or not so) blows up his 3977SED wouldn't even

know

> he
> > did something wrong with the 7062. There is nothing wrong with
> the
> > A3977SED chip if it is run in its safe operating area. THE
> *absolute
> > largest reason* drives blow up is because people get excited at
> > trying the new hardware, don't follow instructions and do
> something
> > wrong. Allegro makes thousands and thousands of these chips.
> Most
> > probably go in to commercial devices like printers. These NEVER
> blow
> > up because they aren't subjected to undue stress (like

disconnects

> or
> > shorts or miswires or overheating, or...).
> >
> > The other main cause of a 3977 "popping" is when there is an
> > overcurrent. This can be from miswires or short circuits. I
> don't
> > think the 7062 is immune to short circuits either. Since I
> started
> > selling the 269 oz.in. motors along with the power supply and
> drive
> > board in a "system kit", "blow ups" have dropped even more, since
> > people are not guessing at how to make motors connections or

power

> > supply connections; I provide instructions with each.
> Unfortunately,
> > people STILL don't read these sometimes, even though they are
> taped
> > directly to the device :-(
> >
> > Anyway, both drive chips are good devices when properly
> operated.
> > The 7062 may however be more robust to user error than the 3977,
> so
> > if you plan on making mistakes like disconnecting a live motor,

go

> > with the 7062. If you plan on following manufacturers guidelines
> > either will be fine.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > --- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com, "turbulatordude"
> > <dave_mucha@> wrote:
> > >
> > > -
> > > > IMO the early xylotex were not as robust in actual shop use,
> as
> > the
> > > > other two. There was also a noise problem in the step/dir
> inputs
> > > > which Jeff to my knowledge has fully corrected in present
> boards.
> > > > Saying they were not as robust may be an unfair assessment,
> since
> > > > their popularity meant a larger sample and response was
> presented
> > in
> > > > these groups where much of my NON-personal experience is
> gotten.
> > > >
> > >
> > > The A3977 chip is listed as 35 volts and 2.5 amps.
> > >
> > > as I understand, the drivers on the Gecko are rated at

something

> one
> > > the order of 100 volts, but the assembled unit has a manufacters
> > > rating of only 80 volts. a 20% de-rating of the components.
> > >
> > > In the early days of the Xylotex, many people tried to supply
> near
> > 35
> > > volts and with any back-emf, 36 volts was all to common.
> > >
> > > I find fault in the understanding of the parameters of the chip
> and
> > > Xylotex has since, as I understand, recomended 24 volts as the
> > desired
> > > power supply.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> >
>