Re: Survey Please read

Hi Doug,
Well it's interesting that you consider W98 a powerful OS... H'mmmm,
It's a shell that rides on DOS7.0 ( much more stable DOS for anyone that
wants it )very much like Win3.1 did. Yet WinNT 3.x 4.0 and up are true
OS's.

Your complaint about not having access to the PIC it strange, I expect
you are not a device driver programmer, and therefore think you don't
have access to it. You certinaly don't have access to all of it/s
timers, (and I expect Linux needs a few for itself also) But you can
very easily and even from a high level langauge have access to timers
with MICROSECOND timing accuracy ! What more do you want ?

That Windows NT is a User friendly OS stems from the years it's been
around. As to NOT being friendly for programmers, it just depends on
what you call friendly. I have programmed for it for many years, writing
device drivers, and end user programs, unforuntaly I cannot pubilish all
my work at my web site, becasue I have non-disclosure aggrements that my
clients insist upon enforcing.

It is a well know fact that Windows NT running on a moderate system
(233MHz) with reasonable amount of RAM (64meg) can handle realtimes in
the lower KiloHerts regions. Which would be considerd DC by many DSP
people !!!

Windows NT has several Realtime add on's much like Linux RT
have a look at

http://www.radisys.com/products/embedded.html

and

http://www.byte.com/art/9610/sec11/art1.htm

Just to name a few...

The learning curve for Windows NT device drivers was not that easy, but
it's also is not that difficult if you really want to do it, all the
information is well documented and free. That's what I used and may be
about $120 worth of other books.

The point I was trying to make seemed not to come over very well, and
for that I blame myself.
The thing that made MAC popular was the "ease of use" and consistent
interface. Windows programmers learned that lesson early on and it
helps. We all know on which menu Save resides don't we, and for sure
Exit is there also.

Consistency is the key word. The openness of Linux is it's Achilles
heel, of that there is not doubt. Anyone can release a version of Linux,
but will every software house support every version of Linux... The
answer is simple... NO.

As to weather I'm to be considered a flake or not, well I leave that up
to each one of your to decide. For those that actually took time read my
survey reply and comprehend it, will know how I feel about anything,
certainly not passionately enough to call anyone a flake for liking or
disliking something as simple as a computer OS..... I'm old, very old,
and expect I've been building equipment before most you ever wet your
first diapers, and I hope to be designing and building for many years to
come.
No; I don't take offense. If anyone ever called me a flake it just goes
hand in hand with the old adage

"You judge people to your own standards" there is much truth in that.

I have been there and done that, being passionate about something in
the end means nothing at all, it's being able to do some thing that
counts.

So that's my last word on this subject.

Hans Wedemeyer


"Harrison, Doug" wrote:

>
> From: "Harrison, Doug" <dharrison@...>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: hansw [SMTP:hansw@...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 4:38 PM
> > To: CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@onelist.com
> > Subject: Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO]Survey Please read
> >
> > From: hansw <hansw@...>
> >
> > Darrel,
> >
> > It's the Linux nightmare that upsets me... Software is not compatible
> > across versions and someone can compile in a "thing" and blow up
> > everything... I'm not a Linux hater, life is much to short for stupid
> > stuff like hating anything, but I dislike wasting my time on something I
> > know is not going to be standard and I can't plan for in the near
> > future.
> >
> There is a very real possibility that Linux will be a standard of
> the future. It is powerful like W98 and NT, yet retains the stability and
> "programmer" friendliness of DOS. Linux is a programmer's OS and thus not
> very end-user friendly. W98 and NT are end user oriented and as such are
> not programmer friendly. Eventually, developers will come up with the cute
> and fuzzy front end to make Linux tolerable to the masses. Then someone
> will hide Linux within the front end and tell us it is not linux but an
> entirely new OS (sound familiar?). It will then be as slow and unstable as
> W98/NT.
>
> > Windows(V2(not many people used V2, and 3.0) used to be like that, but
> > since Windows NT4.0 it's been stable. I know it's not a real-time OS but
> > it is real-time enough for CNC, just people don't bother to understand
> > it well enough. Also the fact that the Printer port is not directly
> > accessible scares off a lot of people. In truth the printer port driver
> > code is simple and can be modified without much trouble at all. The
> > Windows NT DDK is free.
> >
> The problem is not with getting access to the printer port. It is
> the clock chip that we need access to, and no version of windows fully
> allows this. Perhaps EMC would be less of a pain if it were written for
> DOS, but then it would not be as popular. After all, who wants to be seen
> dating fat girls or using DOS?
>
> All cynical jokes aside, one should remember that EMC, like Linux,
> is still experimental technology. If you like being on the cutting edge of
> technology (and occasionally cutting yourself on it) then EMC/Linux is
> fascinating. If you want simplicity then you should stick with Ahha or
> CNCPro or some equivalent. Just remember that all of these programs have
> bugs in them as well.
>
> Doug Harrison
>
> > regards
> > Hans Wedemeyer
> >
> >
> > Darrell wrote:
> > >
> > > From: "Darrell" <dgehlsen@...>
> > >
> > > Hans,
> > > Sorry you had such a bad experience. I think the main trouble you had
> > must
> > > relate to following directions. When I followed the directions to the
> > > letter, everything worked.
> > > Darrell
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: hansw <hansw@...>
> > > To: <CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@onelist.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 8:32 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO]Survey Please read
> > >
> > > > From: hansw <hansw@...>
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Enhanced Machine Controller Feedback Form
> > > > >
> > > > > ABSTRACT:
> > > > > This study of the effects that the EMC program has made on your
> > company
> > > > > will be utilized for a project at Worcester Polytechnic Institute.
> > We
> > > are
> > > > > currently researching the EMC program in Small to Medium sized
> > > > > Manufacturers (SME). The results will be integrated in the final
> > > > > effectiveness of EMC.
> > > > >
> > > > > INSTRUCTIONS:
> > > > > Below are a few questions that will enable this study to get a
> > better
> > > > > understanding on how EMC has effected the production and
> > effectiveness
> > > of
> > > > > your company. Answer the questions with a sentence, or a yes or no.
> > In
> > > the
> > > > > remarks section feel free to add any other information that will
> > help
> > > this
> > > > > study.
> > > > >
> > > > > Q1. How has EMC affected the overall production time and rate per
> > > piece?
> > > > > A1. ZERO
> > > > >
> > > > > Q2. What costs have been reduced from the implementation of EMC?
> > > > > A2.
> > > > >
> > > > > Q3. Has the EMC program reduced any jobs that were prior needed for
> > the
> > > > > task that EMC is now doing?
> > > > > A3. NO
> > > > >
> > > > > Q4. With the introduction to EMC would you now upgrade to a more in
> > > depth
> > > > > CAM package?
> > > > > A4. YES
> > > > >
> > > > > Q5. How difficult was it for you to find out about and obtain EMC?
> > > Would
> > > > > there have been a better way?
> > > > > A5. VERY
> > > > >
> > > > > Q6. How difficult was the setup/retrofit of your equipment? Could
> > you
> > > > > think of some better way of doing this?
> > > > > A6. Nightmare, Linux is a mess I simply gave up and found something
> > else
> > > > >
> > > > > Q7. What are the best and worst experiences that you've had
> > throughout
> > > > > the whole process of finding and installing EMC?
> > > > > A7. ZERO ZERO ZERO O moved to CNCPro it works.
> > > > >
> > > > > Q8. What was the cost of the implementation?
> > > > > A8. TIME and I can;t afford time..
> > > > >
> > > > > Q9. How long did the overall implementation take?
> > > > > A9. Tried for a day and then found it was much to much of a
> > nightmare .
> > > Linux never worked.
> > > > >
> > > > > Q10. What kind of machine/brand/model/controller/motors were
> > converted?
> > > > > A10. n/a
> > > > >
> > > > > Q11. Any further remarks that will help this study appreciate the
> > > > > effectiveness of the EMC program?
> > > > > A11. Move to Windows NT2000 and thing will become more real. Linux
> > is
> > > the nightmare that will destroy EMC
> > > > >
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