Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: BP retrofit yaxis drive burnup- follow-up
Posted by
Jon Elson
on 2005-04-08 21:26:06 UTC
Keith Clark wrote:
it is
a heat related problem, or possibly the current inrush is degrading the
internal
capacitor. It takes so many inrushes to wreck that cap, and then the
uncontrolled
voltage spikes destroy the power FETs. If these problems are all on systems
using a relay on the DC side, then that seems like the diagnosis. If
some of these
recurring failures are on systems without the relay in the DC side, then
heat of some
sort has to be it. It has been noted by several people that the
internal cap
in the Gecko drives runs very hot if even half a foot of wire runs
between the main
filter cap and the drive, and no external cap is used right outside the
drive.
Most of the pedestrian caps are rated for a few years life at 85 C core
temperature.
(My PWM servo amps have a fairly expensive 2.2 uF film capacitor in
parallel with
the internal electrolytic cap for exactly this reason.)
Jon
>Ron, we need to compare notes to see if there is a common pattern.If these Gecko drives last several months, and then die, I would suspect
>Mine takes some time to burn also, but I hope my problem was having
>the relay to turn off and on the powersupply on the DC side instead
>of the AC side. Now I can't get the x axis to move properly... I
>am going to drop to half winding mode and lower current to see if
>that helps in the long run.
>
>
it is
a heat related problem, or possibly the current inrush is degrading the
internal
capacitor. It takes so many inrushes to wreck that cap, and then the
uncontrolled
voltage spikes destroy the power FETs. If these problems are all on systems
using a relay on the DC side, then that seems like the diagnosis. If
some of these
recurring failures are on systems without the relay in the DC side, then
heat of some
sort has to be it. It has been noted by several people that the
internal cap
in the Gecko drives runs very hot if even half a foot of wire runs
between the main
filter cap and the drive, and no external cap is used right outside the
drive.
Most of the pedestrian caps are rated for a few years life at 85 C core
temperature.
(My PWM servo amps have a fairly expensive 2.2 uF film capacitor in
parallel with
the internal electrolytic cap for exactly this reason.)
Jon
Discussion Thread
Keith Clark
2005-04-07 23:31:03 UTC
BP retrofit yaxis drive burnup- follow-up
ajv2803959
2005-04-08 04:02:16 UTC
Re: BP retrofit yaxis drive burnup- follow-up
Keith Clark
2005-04-08 05:28:08 UTC
Re: BP retrofit yaxis drive burnup- follow-up
Ron Kline
2005-04-08 07:44:14 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] BP retrofit yaxis drive burnup- follow-up
Keith Clark
2005-04-08 12:38:06 UTC
Re: BP retrofit yaxis drive burnup- follow-up
lcdpublishing
2005-04-08 14:10:19 UTC
Gecko problems - What is going on?
Keith Clark
2005-04-08 14:24:44 UTC
Re: Gecko problems - What is going on?
Pete Brown (YahooGroups)
2005-04-08 14:27:02 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Gecko problems - What is going on?
Keith Clark
2005-04-08 14:32:03 UTC
Re: Gecko problems - What is going on?
Ron Kline
2005-04-08 15:00:47 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: BP retrofit yaxis drive burnup- follow-up
Les Newell
2005-04-08 15:24:54 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Gecko problems - What is going on?
Les Newell
2005-04-08 15:36:43 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Gecko problems - What is going on?
Jeff Goldberg
2005-04-08 16:33:26 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: BP retrofit yaxis drive burnup- follow-up
R Rogers
2005-04-08 19:28:29 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Gecko problems - What is going on?
Ron Kline
2005-04-08 20:12:02 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: BP retrofit yaxis drive burnup- follow-up
George Taylor, IV
2005-04-08 20:24:40 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Gecko problems - What is going on?
Ron Kline
2005-04-08 20:38:19 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Gecko problems - What is going on?
R Rogers
2005-04-08 21:01:00 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Gecko problems - What is going on?
Keith Clark
2005-04-08 21:09:15 UTC
Re: Gecko problems - What is going on? New finding
Jon Elson
2005-04-08 21:26:06 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: BP retrofit yaxis drive burnup- follow-up
Jon Elson
2005-04-08 21:32:46 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Gecko problems - What is going on?
cnc_4_me
2005-04-09 08:02:45 UTC
Re: BP retrofit yaxis drive burnup- follow-up
George Taylor, IV
2005-04-09 11:20:24 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Gecko problems - What is going on?
Keith Clark
2005-04-09 11:46:34 UTC
Re: BP retrofit yaxis drive burnup- follow-up FIXED!
JCullins
2005-04-09 12:04:59 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: BP retrofit yaxis drive burnup- follow-up FIXED!
Ron Kline
2005-04-09 12:41:24 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: BP retrofit yaxis drive burnup- follow-up FIXED!
Ron Kline
2005-04-09 12:47:20 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Gecko problems - What is going on?
R Rogers
2005-04-09 13:25:54 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Gecko problems - What is going on?
Jon Elson
2005-04-09 14:03:30 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: BP retrofit yaxis drive burnup- follow-up
cnc_4_me
2005-04-09 15:10:43 UTC
Re: BP retrofit yaxis drive burnup- follow-up
Keith Clark
2005-04-09 16:47:59 UTC
Re: BP retrofit yaxis drive burnup- follow-up
George Taylor, IV
2005-04-09 18:59:30 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Gecko problems - What is going on?
George Taylor, IV
2005-04-09 19:01:45 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Gecko problems - What is going on?
George Taylor, IV
2005-04-09 19:09:55 UTC
RE: Your machine
Jon Elson
2005-04-09 21:16:24 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: BP retrofit yaxis drive burnup- follow-up
Jon Elson
2005-04-09 21:22:49 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: BP retrofit yaxis drive burnup- follow-up
cnc_4_me
2005-04-09 22:21:48 UTC
Re: BP retrofit yaxis drive burnup- follow-up
Jon Elson
2005-04-10 11:50:13 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: BP retrofit yaxis drive burnup- follow-up