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Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest.

Posted by Codesuidae
on 2006-05-16 09:14:40 UTC
Alan Marconett wrote:
> There are drivers to make USB look like serial, but I haven't heard of one
> for making them look like a parallel. Are they out there?

There are USB-attached devices that have a parallel port suitable for
connecting a printer under Windows. However, the Windows drivers for
them do not map them into IO space like a standard parallel port, so
they are not suitable for bit-banging in the way that CNC systems use a
standard parallel port. If someone wanted to write a VxD to connect the
IO space to the device then it could be used that way, although there is
still the issue of timing precision. Since its a virtual device writing
to the IO port with precise timing doesn't guarantee that the pins on
the output will reflect that timing.

IMO if one is going to the trouble of doing a USB attached device one
should just go ahead and make it a microcontroller and feed it the
information it needs to produce precisely timed step/direction signals.
If necessary backwards compatibility can then be provided by writing a
device driver that presents the device as a parallel port, but this
would be a secondary mode of operation. Best performance would be
provided by using the devices native command language.

> Dave,
>
> CNC dude z (?) has a free USB app and PIC project on their website that may
> be what you need to control 3 axis via USB. (No source code) ;>(
>

Cool, I'll check it out. I want to make something similar, mostly
because I like to make stuff :)

> I want a simple 4 axis USB PIC interface! Lets talk!
>

I'm interested in using an Atmel ATMega chip with integrated USB to read
commands similar (if not identical) to what the G100 reads, and then
converts those into step/direction commands. Essentially a device that
can handle 4 axis coordinated moves, but not as smart as the G100. It
would translate short 4 dimensional vectors into step and direction
commands.

I've got one other RC motor control project ahead of this one that I
need to finish, and I need to scrounge up something to read step-dir
commands (I sold my mill and HCNC board, so I don't have real hardware
any more). So I'll be doing some experiments in this direction in the
next couple of weeks.


Dave K

Discussion Thread

Dennis Schmitz 2006-05-12 00:26:44 UTC Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-12 02:33:46 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. lcdpublishing 2006-05-12 04:34:40 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Fred Smith 2006-05-13 09:29:18 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Codesuidae 2006-05-13 17:57:12 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. turbulatordude 2006-05-13 18:34:05 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Codesuidae 2006-05-15 10:03:25 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Mariss Freimanis 2006-05-15 10:31:40 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Jack Hudler 2006-05-15 10:57:21 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Mariss Freimanis 2006-05-15 11:21:49 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Codesuidae 2006-05-15 12:23:16 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Roy J. Tellason 2006-05-15 12:58:17 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Mariss Freimanis 2006-05-15 13:09:24 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Mike Pogue 2006-05-15 13:39:03 UTC USB-to-step/direction (was Interface. Gauging interest.) Codesuidae 2006-05-15 13:51:14 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-15 14:41:53 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Jack Hudler 2006-05-15 14:47:30 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Mike 2006-05-15 14:53:37 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-15 14:54:07 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-15 15:07:28 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-15 15:08:32 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Roy J. Tellason 2006-05-15 15:24:52 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Roy J. Tellason 2006-05-15 15:28:12 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. lcdpublishing 2006-05-15 16:25:26 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Graham Stabler 2006-05-15 17:26:42 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Mariss Freimanis 2006-05-15 17:36:42 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Mariss Freimanis 2006-05-15 18:10:03 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Codesuidae 2006-05-15 18:32:25 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Codesuidae 2006-05-15 18:37:07 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] USB-to-step/direction (was Interface. Gauging interest.) ballendo 2006-05-15 20:35:11 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Jack Hudler 2006-05-15 21:38:44 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. JanRwl@A... 2006-05-15 22:07:34 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Mike Pogue 2006-05-15 22:11:15 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] USB-to-step/direction (was Interface. Gauging interest.) JanRwl@A... 2006-05-15 22:19:53 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-15 22:24:36 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Tony Jeffree 2006-05-15 22:32:10 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Dave Halliday 2006-05-15 23:01:44 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Mike Pogue 2006-05-16 00:08:57 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Mike Pogue 2006-05-16 00:13:54 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Jack Hudler 2006-05-16 00:17:01 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Mike Pogue 2006-05-16 00:18:23 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Lester Caine 2006-05-16 00:24:55 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Jack Hudler 2006-05-16 00:30:57 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-16 01:08:35 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-16 01:16:52 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-16 01:19:38 UTC OT Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-16 01:25:07 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-16 01:32:25 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Graham Stabler 2006-05-16 02:07:21 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Lester Caine 2006-05-16 04:23:18 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. lcdpublishing 2006-05-16 06:03:14 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Alan Marconett 2006-05-16 07:49:54 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Roy J. Tellason 2006-05-16 08:04:54 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Alan Marconett 2006-05-16 08:23:35 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Mariss Freimanis 2006-05-16 09:11:32 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Codesuidae 2006-05-16 09:14:40 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Codesuidae 2006-05-16 09:23:11 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. gort38 2006-05-16 09:36:00 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-16 09:42:33 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-16 09:49:07 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-16 09:55:54 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-16 10:03:37 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Alan Marconett 2006-05-16 10:05:29 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Alan Marconett 2006-05-16 10:19:18 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Mariss Freimanis 2006-05-16 10:39:14 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Dan Mauch 2006-05-16 11:05:32 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. gort38 2006-05-16 11:32:18 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Dave Halliday 2006-05-16 11:32:57 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Mike Pogue 2006-05-16 11:51:28 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. wanliker@a... 2006-05-16 12:18:14 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Codesuidae 2006-05-16 12:35:42 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Alan Marconett 2006-05-16 12:36:26 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Lester Caine 2006-05-16 12:46:11 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Alan Marconett 2006-05-16 12:53:45 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-16 13:03:38 UTC OT Re: Interface. Gauging interest. wanliker@a... 2006-05-16 13:05:51 UTC Interface. Gauging interest. Codesuidae 2006-05-16 14:41:32 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Alan Marconett 2006-05-16 14:43:54 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Phil Mattison 2006-05-16 15:23:22 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Codesuidae 2006-05-16 15:40:41 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-16 15:53:31 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Steve Blackmore 2006-05-16 17:22:39 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Phil Mattison 2006-05-16 17:29:41 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Mariss Freimanis 2006-05-16 18:47:10 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Jon Elson 2006-05-16 21:44:52 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Lester Caine 2006-05-16 22:42:56 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Steve Blackmore 2006-05-17 00:05:31 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. lcdpublishing 2006-05-17 05:32:10 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-17 07:06:18 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Phil Mattison 2006-05-17 08:51:38 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Roy J. Tellason 2006-05-17 08:55:46 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. lcdpublishing 2006-05-17 09:22:57 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Phil Mattison 2006-05-17 09:47:13 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-17 09:58:14 UTC Irrelevant Gcode?!? wasRe: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-17 10:00:45 UTC irrelevnat Gcodes was Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-17 10:02:38 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. lcdpublishing 2006-05-17 10:13:56 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-17 10:17:41 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Fred Smith 2006-05-17 11:13:43 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Lester Caine 2006-05-17 11:40:44 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Alan Marconett 2006-05-17 11:57:03 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Dennis Schmitz 2006-05-17 20:30:08 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Jack Hudler 2006-05-17 21:04:17 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Jack Hudler 2006-05-17 21:04:53 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Dennis Schmitz 2006-05-17 22:01:51 UTC Re: Irrelevant Gcode?!? wasRe: Interface. Gauging interest. lcdpublishing 2006-05-18 04:58:52 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-18 05:11:22 UTC OT Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Graham Stabler 2006-05-18 05:29:38 UTC OT Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Steve Blackmore 2006-05-18 16:31:07 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. yracg 2006-05-18 20:53:29 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. JanRwl@A... 2006-05-18 21:53:39 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Dennis Schmitz 2006-05-18 23:18:55 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Mike Pogue 2006-05-19 00:51:04 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. yracg 2006-05-19 05:49:15 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Peter Reilley 2006-05-19 05:59:11 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. yracg 2006-05-19 06:22:16 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Mariss Freimanis 2006-05-19 06:58:38 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Codesuidae 2006-05-19 07:24:10 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Dennis Schmitz 2006-05-19 07:26:29 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Dennis Schmitz 2006-05-19 07:28:18 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Phil Mattison 2006-05-19 07:49:51 UTC [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Mariss Freimanis 2006-05-19 08:29:00 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. yracg 2006-05-19 08:31:36 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Wayne Weedon 2006-05-19 08:40:45 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Wayne C. Gramlich 2006-05-19 08:51:48 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Dennis Schmitz 2006-05-19 08:55:11 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. wanliker@a... 2006-05-19 09:11:52 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Lester Caine 2006-05-19 09:37:14 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Dennis Schmitz 2006-05-19 09:41:18 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Dennis Schmitz 2006-05-19 09:47:00 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Codesuidae 2006-05-19 09:48:54 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Dennis Schmitz 2006-05-19 09:53:38 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. John Dammeyer 2006-05-19 09:54:19 UTC USB CNC (was Interface. Gauging interest.) Jack Hudler 2006-05-19 09:57:07 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Alan Marconett 2006-05-19 10:40:21 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Alan Marconett 2006-05-19 10:56:20 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] USB CNC (was Interface. Gauging interest.) John Dammeyer 2006-05-19 11:23:37 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] USB CNC (was Interface. Gauging interest.) Mike Pogue 2006-05-19 11:59:11 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Lester Caine 2006-05-19 12:05:26 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Alan Marconett 2006-05-19 12:07:56 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] USB CNC (was Interface. Gauging interest.) Mariss Freimanis 2006-05-19 12:27:31 UTC Re: USB CNC (was Interface. Gauging interest.) Alan Marconett 2006-05-19 12:48:01 UTC RE: USB DLP2232M CNC, Was Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Alan Marconett 2006-05-19 12:56:08 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Wayne C. Gramlich 2006-05-19 13:33:20 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Wayne C. Gramlich 2006-05-19 13:36:36 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Wayne C. Gramlich 2006-05-19 14:00:01 UTC Re: USB CNC (was Interface. Gauging interest.) ballendo 2006-05-19 14:06:06 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Alan Marconett 2006-05-19 14:16:09 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: USB CNC (was Interface. Gauging interest.) lcdpublishing 2006-05-19 14:28:40 UTC Re: PCI interface was ....Interface. Gauging interest. Alan Marconett 2006-05-19 14:42:25 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: PCI interface was ....Interface. Gauging interest. delmar williams 2006-05-19 14:45:24 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: PCI interface was ....Interface. Gauging interest. Lester Caine 2006-05-19 15:06:22 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: PCI interface was ....Interface. Gauging interest. Wayne C. Gramlich 2006-05-19 15:34:56 UTC Re: USB CNC (was Interface. Gauging interest.) Codesuidae 2006-05-19 15:48:06 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Wayne Weedon 2006-05-19 15:54:46 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. John Dammeyer 2006-05-19 17:13:01 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: PCI interface was ....Interface. Gauging interest. Paul Kelly 2006-05-19 17:19:27 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: PCI interface was ....Interface. Gauging interest. Mike Pogue 2006-05-19 17:54:12 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] RE: USB DLP2232M CNC, Was Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Alan Marconett 2006-05-19 17:59:40 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: USB CNC (was Interface. Gauging interest.) Anders Wallin 2006-05-19 21:49:32 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: PCI interface was ....Interface. Gauging interest. Wayne C. Gramlich 2006-05-20 00:00:48 UTC Re: USB CNC (was Interface. Gauging interest.) bob_kellock 2006-05-20 03:18:22 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Les Newell 2006-05-20 05:06:27 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Alan Marconett 2006-05-20 10:59:18 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: USB CNC (was Interface. Gauging interest.) Wayne C. Gramlich 2006-05-20 11:58:09 UTC Re: USB CNC (was Interface. Gauging interest.) Mariss Freimanis 2006-05-20 13:37:35 UTC Re: USB CNC (was Interface. Gauging interest.) Alan Marconett 2006-05-20 14:14:20 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: USB CNC (was Interface. Gauging interest.) Hugh Prescott 2006-05-20 15:13:59 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: USB CNC (was Interface. Gauging interest.) Graham Stabler 2006-05-20 15:57:23 UTC Re: USB CNC (was Interface. Gauging interest.) Alan Marconett 2006-05-20 16:00:08 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: USB CNC Dennis Schmitz 2006-05-20 16:48:12 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ronginger@a... 2006-05-20 17:53:16 UTC Re: USB CNC (was Interface. Gauging interest.) Jack Hudler 2006-05-20 19:23:01 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: PCI interface was ....Interface. Gauging interest. Jack Hudler 2006-05-20 19:28:08 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-20 22:05:57 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-20 22:26:51 UTC Re: USB CNC (was Interface. Gauging interest.) Mike Pogue 2006-05-21 01:49:23 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: USB CNC (was Interface. Gauging interest.) Alan Marconett 2006-05-21 10:26:01 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: USB CNC (was Interface. Gauging interest.) Alan Marconett 2006-05-21 16:54:05 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] RE: USB DLP2232M CNC, Was Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Mariss Freimanis 2006-06-06 19:39:41 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Fred Smith 2006-06-06 20:44:50 UTC ncPOD update, was Re: Interface. Gauging interest. John Stevenson 2006-06-06 22:55:16 UTC ncPOD update, was Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Tony Jeffree 2006-06-07 00:20:00 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] ncPOD update, was Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Tony Jeffree 2006-06-07 00:30:33 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] ncPOD update, was Re: Interface. Gauging interest. turbulatordude 2006-06-07 08:34:04 UTC ncPOD update, Fred Smith 2006-06-07 11:00:14 UTC Re: ncPOD update, Tony Jeffree 2006-06-07 13:19:30 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: ncPOD update,