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Re: Interface. Gauging interest.

on 2006-05-19 08:55:11 UTC
You know every time the software group says that Ethernet isn't
deterministic, I have to make them tell me exactly what they mean.
Some think it means packet loss, some think it means you can't predict
the queue performance in switches, some think it means that the stack
performance sucks, and some people think it's because Ethernet doesn't
use synchronous clocking. Well simply put, in a closed system you can
address every issue that makes Ethernet underperform. Same goes for
USB, as you illustrated by attacking the issues as a Maker rather than
a User.

My less than clear point (I tend to make a lot of less than clear
points) is that if you use rule-of-thumb engineering, you're making a
mistake.

In this case what I mean by USB not being deterministic is that you
can't (meaning it's really hard/expensive) deliver packets without
temporal jitter. It's not designed for it. 1394, on the other hand is
designed for it.

On 5/19/06, Peter Reilley <micrio@...> wrote:
> It is wrong to say that USB is not deterministic, it is. USB frames
> operate on a strict 1 millisecond cycle. This is unlike Ethernet which
> operates on a random access mechanism.

Discussion Thread

Dennis Schmitz 2006-05-12 00:26:44 UTC Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-12 02:33:46 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. lcdpublishing 2006-05-12 04:34:40 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Fred Smith 2006-05-13 09:29:18 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Codesuidae 2006-05-13 17:57:12 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. turbulatordude 2006-05-13 18:34:05 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Codesuidae 2006-05-15 10:03:25 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Mariss Freimanis 2006-05-15 10:31:40 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Jack Hudler 2006-05-15 10:57:21 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Mariss Freimanis 2006-05-15 11:21:49 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Codesuidae 2006-05-15 12:23:16 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Roy J. Tellason 2006-05-15 12:58:17 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Mariss Freimanis 2006-05-15 13:09:24 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Mike Pogue 2006-05-15 13:39:03 UTC USB-to-step/direction (was Interface. Gauging interest.) Codesuidae 2006-05-15 13:51:14 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-15 14:41:53 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Jack Hudler 2006-05-15 14:47:30 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Mike 2006-05-15 14:53:37 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-15 14:54:07 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-15 15:07:28 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-15 15:08:32 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Roy J. Tellason 2006-05-15 15:24:52 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Roy J. Tellason 2006-05-15 15:28:12 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. lcdpublishing 2006-05-15 16:25:26 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Graham Stabler 2006-05-15 17:26:42 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Mariss Freimanis 2006-05-15 17:36:42 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Mariss Freimanis 2006-05-15 18:10:03 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Codesuidae 2006-05-15 18:32:25 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Codesuidae 2006-05-15 18:37:07 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] USB-to-step/direction (was Interface. Gauging interest.) ballendo 2006-05-15 20:35:11 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Jack Hudler 2006-05-15 21:38:44 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. JanRwl@A... 2006-05-15 22:07:34 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Mike Pogue 2006-05-15 22:11:15 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] USB-to-step/direction (was Interface. Gauging interest.) JanRwl@A... 2006-05-15 22:19:53 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-15 22:24:36 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Tony Jeffree 2006-05-15 22:32:10 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Dave Halliday 2006-05-15 23:01:44 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Mike Pogue 2006-05-16 00:08:57 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Mike Pogue 2006-05-16 00:13:54 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Jack Hudler 2006-05-16 00:17:01 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Mike Pogue 2006-05-16 00:18:23 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Lester Caine 2006-05-16 00:24:55 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Jack Hudler 2006-05-16 00:30:57 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-16 01:08:35 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-16 01:16:52 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-16 01:19:38 UTC OT Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-16 01:25:07 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-16 01:32:25 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Graham Stabler 2006-05-16 02:07:21 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Lester Caine 2006-05-16 04:23:18 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. lcdpublishing 2006-05-16 06:03:14 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Alan Marconett 2006-05-16 07:49:54 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Roy J. Tellason 2006-05-16 08:04:54 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Alan Marconett 2006-05-16 08:23:35 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Mariss Freimanis 2006-05-16 09:11:32 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Codesuidae 2006-05-16 09:14:40 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Codesuidae 2006-05-16 09:23:11 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. gort38 2006-05-16 09:36:00 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-16 09:42:33 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-16 09:49:07 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-16 09:55:54 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-16 10:03:37 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Alan Marconett 2006-05-16 10:05:29 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Alan Marconett 2006-05-16 10:19:18 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Mariss Freimanis 2006-05-16 10:39:14 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Dan Mauch 2006-05-16 11:05:32 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. gort38 2006-05-16 11:32:18 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Dave Halliday 2006-05-16 11:32:57 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Mike Pogue 2006-05-16 11:51:28 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. wanliker@a... 2006-05-16 12:18:14 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Codesuidae 2006-05-16 12:35:42 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Alan Marconett 2006-05-16 12:36:26 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Lester Caine 2006-05-16 12:46:11 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Alan Marconett 2006-05-16 12:53:45 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-16 13:03:38 UTC OT Re: Interface. Gauging interest. wanliker@a... 2006-05-16 13:05:51 UTC Interface. Gauging interest. Codesuidae 2006-05-16 14:41:32 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Alan Marconett 2006-05-16 14:43:54 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Phil Mattison 2006-05-16 15:23:22 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Codesuidae 2006-05-16 15:40:41 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-16 15:53:31 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Steve Blackmore 2006-05-16 17:22:39 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Phil Mattison 2006-05-16 17:29:41 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Mariss Freimanis 2006-05-16 18:47:10 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Jon Elson 2006-05-16 21:44:52 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Lester Caine 2006-05-16 22:42:56 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Steve Blackmore 2006-05-17 00:05:31 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. lcdpublishing 2006-05-17 05:32:10 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-17 07:06:18 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Phil Mattison 2006-05-17 08:51:38 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Roy J. Tellason 2006-05-17 08:55:46 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. lcdpublishing 2006-05-17 09:22:57 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Phil Mattison 2006-05-17 09:47:13 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-17 09:58:14 UTC Irrelevant Gcode?!? wasRe: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-17 10:00:45 UTC irrelevnat Gcodes was Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-17 10:02:38 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. lcdpublishing 2006-05-17 10:13:56 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-17 10:17:41 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Fred Smith 2006-05-17 11:13:43 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Lester Caine 2006-05-17 11:40:44 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Alan Marconett 2006-05-17 11:57:03 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Dennis Schmitz 2006-05-17 20:30:08 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Jack Hudler 2006-05-17 21:04:17 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Jack Hudler 2006-05-17 21:04:53 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Dennis Schmitz 2006-05-17 22:01:51 UTC Re: Irrelevant Gcode?!? wasRe: Interface. Gauging interest. lcdpublishing 2006-05-18 04:58:52 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-18 05:11:22 UTC OT Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Graham Stabler 2006-05-18 05:29:38 UTC OT Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Steve Blackmore 2006-05-18 16:31:07 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. yracg 2006-05-18 20:53:29 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. JanRwl@A... 2006-05-18 21:53:39 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Dennis Schmitz 2006-05-18 23:18:55 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Mike Pogue 2006-05-19 00:51:04 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. yracg 2006-05-19 05:49:15 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Peter Reilley 2006-05-19 05:59:11 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. yracg 2006-05-19 06:22:16 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Mariss Freimanis 2006-05-19 06:58:38 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Codesuidae 2006-05-19 07:24:10 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Dennis Schmitz 2006-05-19 07:26:29 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Dennis Schmitz 2006-05-19 07:28:18 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Phil Mattison 2006-05-19 07:49:51 UTC [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Mariss Freimanis 2006-05-19 08:29:00 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. yracg 2006-05-19 08:31:36 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Wayne Weedon 2006-05-19 08:40:45 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Wayne C. Gramlich 2006-05-19 08:51:48 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Dennis Schmitz 2006-05-19 08:55:11 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. wanliker@a... 2006-05-19 09:11:52 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Lester Caine 2006-05-19 09:37:14 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Dennis Schmitz 2006-05-19 09:41:18 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Dennis Schmitz 2006-05-19 09:47:00 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Codesuidae 2006-05-19 09:48:54 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Dennis Schmitz 2006-05-19 09:53:38 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. John Dammeyer 2006-05-19 09:54:19 UTC USB CNC (was Interface. Gauging interest.) Jack Hudler 2006-05-19 09:57:07 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Alan Marconett 2006-05-19 10:40:21 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Alan Marconett 2006-05-19 10:56:20 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] USB CNC (was Interface. Gauging interest.) John Dammeyer 2006-05-19 11:23:37 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] USB CNC (was Interface. Gauging interest.) Mike Pogue 2006-05-19 11:59:11 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Lester Caine 2006-05-19 12:05:26 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Alan Marconett 2006-05-19 12:07:56 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] USB CNC (was Interface. Gauging interest.) Mariss Freimanis 2006-05-19 12:27:31 UTC Re: USB CNC (was Interface. Gauging interest.) Alan Marconett 2006-05-19 12:48:01 UTC RE: USB DLP2232M CNC, Was Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Alan Marconett 2006-05-19 12:56:08 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Wayne C. Gramlich 2006-05-19 13:33:20 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Wayne C. Gramlich 2006-05-19 13:36:36 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Wayne C. Gramlich 2006-05-19 14:00:01 UTC Re: USB CNC (was Interface. Gauging interest.) ballendo 2006-05-19 14:06:06 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Alan Marconett 2006-05-19 14:16:09 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: USB CNC (was Interface. Gauging interest.) lcdpublishing 2006-05-19 14:28:40 UTC Re: PCI interface was ....Interface. Gauging interest. Alan Marconett 2006-05-19 14:42:25 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: PCI interface was ....Interface. Gauging interest. delmar williams 2006-05-19 14:45:24 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: PCI interface was ....Interface. Gauging interest. Lester Caine 2006-05-19 15:06:22 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: PCI interface was ....Interface. Gauging interest. Wayne C. Gramlich 2006-05-19 15:34:56 UTC Re: USB CNC (was Interface. Gauging interest.) Codesuidae 2006-05-19 15:48:06 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Wayne Weedon 2006-05-19 15:54:46 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. John Dammeyer 2006-05-19 17:13:01 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: PCI interface was ....Interface. Gauging interest. Paul Kelly 2006-05-19 17:19:27 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: PCI interface was ....Interface. Gauging interest. Mike Pogue 2006-05-19 17:54:12 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] RE: USB DLP2232M CNC, Was Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Alan Marconett 2006-05-19 17:59:40 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: USB CNC (was Interface. Gauging interest.) Anders Wallin 2006-05-19 21:49:32 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: PCI interface was ....Interface. Gauging interest. Wayne C. Gramlich 2006-05-20 00:00:48 UTC Re: USB CNC (was Interface. Gauging interest.) bob_kellock 2006-05-20 03:18:22 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Les Newell 2006-05-20 05:06:27 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Alan Marconett 2006-05-20 10:59:18 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: USB CNC (was Interface. Gauging interest.) Wayne C. Gramlich 2006-05-20 11:58:09 UTC Re: USB CNC (was Interface. Gauging interest.) Mariss Freimanis 2006-05-20 13:37:35 UTC Re: USB CNC (was Interface. Gauging interest.) Alan Marconett 2006-05-20 14:14:20 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: USB CNC (was Interface. Gauging interest.) Hugh Prescott 2006-05-20 15:13:59 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: USB CNC (was Interface. Gauging interest.) Graham Stabler 2006-05-20 15:57:23 UTC Re: USB CNC (was Interface. Gauging interest.) Alan Marconett 2006-05-20 16:00:08 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: USB CNC Dennis Schmitz 2006-05-20 16:48:12 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ronginger@a... 2006-05-20 17:53:16 UTC Re: USB CNC (was Interface. Gauging interest.) Jack Hudler 2006-05-20 19:23:01 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: PCI interface was ....Interface. Gauging interest. Jack Hudler 2006-05-20 19:28:08 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-20 22:05:57 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. ballendo 2006-05-20 22:26:51 UTC Re: USB CNC (was Interface. Gauging interest.) Mike Pogue 2006-05-21 01:49:23 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: USB CNC (was Interface. Gauging interest.) Alan Marconett 2006-05-21 10:26:01 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: USB CNC (was Interface. Gauging interest.) Alan Marconett 2006-05-21 16:54:05 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] RE: USB DLP2232M CNC, Was Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Mariss Freimanis 2006-06-06 19:39:41 UTC Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Fred Smith 2006-06-06 20:44:50 UTC ncPOD update, was Re: Interface. Gauging interest. John Stevenson 2006-06-06 22:55:16 UTC ncPOD update, was Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Tony Jeffree 2006-06-07 00:20:00 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] ncPOD update, was Re: Interface. Gauging interest. Tony Jeffree 2006-06-07 00:30:33 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] ncPOD update, was Re: Interface. Gauging interest. turbulatordude 2006-06-07 08:34:04 UTC ncPOD update, Fred Smith 2006-06-07 11:00:14 UTC Re: ncPOD update, Tony Jeffree 2006-06-07 13:19:30 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: ncPOD update,