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Re: Chopper circuit

Posted by mariss92705
on 2002-04-03 19:01:55 UTC
Wayne,

There's no need to go nuts with the commutation diodes. Any decent hi-
speed (trr < 200 nS) silcon rectifier will do. Here's why:

The L297 has Darlington output transistors. They have a Vsat of 2 to
3VDC at 2A. Your rectifiers cannot conduct for more than 50% of the
switching duty cycle, so the contribution of their forward voltage
becomes insignificant below 1VDC.

There are two major dissipative loss components in your bridge; Vsat
and switching losses (simultaneous Icc and Vcc). There's not much you
can do about the Vsat losses but you can to some degree control
switching losses. Keep your switching frequency as low as possible;
try to keep it just above the audible range, about 13 to 15 kHz in a
noisy enviroment.

Darlington transistors are slow. You can figure the losses as being
2A times 46VDC times about 1,000 nS per edge. At 25 kHz this amounts
to 9.2W (46 * 2 * 1,000 nS * 25 kHz * 4). Conduction losses would be
about 10W (2 * 4 + 2 * 1)/2 times 2, for a total dissipation of
around 19W. Decreasing the switching frequency to 12.5 kHz would
bring the losses down to 15W.

If your rectifiers were perfect (Vfwd = 0VDC), the losses at 25 kHz
would be 17.2W instead of 19.2W.

Mariss


--- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@y..., "waynegramlich" <Yahoo@G...> wrote:
> [snip]
> > What is a good value for Vf? For my 2Amp chopper board:
> >
> > http://web.gramlich.net/cnc/motion/rev_a/index.html
>
> Arrrghhh!!!
>
> The correct URL is:
>
> http://web.gramlich.net/projects/cnc/motion/index.html
>
> Sorry, 'bout that.
>
> -Wayne

Discussion Thread

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Now ver 3.2 paul_alz 2002-04-07 03:19:03 UTC Re: Was Chopper circuit - Now ver 3.2 Steve Blackmore 2002-04-07 05:00:04 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Was Chopper circuit - Now ver 3.2 paul_alz 2002-04-07 09:47:58 UTC Re: Was Chopper circuit - Now ver 3.2 n4onl 2002-04-07 10:20:22 UTC Re: Was Chopper circuit - Now ver 3.2 paul_alz 2002-04-07 12:31:11 UTC Re: Was Chopper circuit - Now ver 3.2 Larry Edington 2002-04-07 13:26:08 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Was Chopper circuit - Now ver 3.2 n4onl 2002-04-07 15:53:03 UTC Re: Was Chopper circuit - Now ver 3.2 waynegramlich 2002-04-07 17:21:57 UTC Re: Was Chopper circuit - Now ver 3.2 Steve Blackmore 2002-04-07 18:05:36 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Was Chopper circuit - Now ver 3.2 mariss92705 2002-04-07 18:07:59 UTC Re: Was Chopper circuit - Now ver 3.2 Tim Goldstein 2002-04-07 19:04:37 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Was Chopper circuit - Now ver 3.2 mariss92705 2002-04-07 19:43:07 UTC Re: Was Chopper circuit - Now ver 3.2 mariss92705 2002-04-07 20:00:17 UTC Re: Was Chopper circuit - Now ver 3.2 RichD 2002-04-07 20:08:58 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Was Chopper circuit - Now ver 3.2 marble here 2002-04-07 20:40:37 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Was Chopper circuit - Now ver 3.2 Tim Goldstein 2002-04-07 20:54:18 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Was Chopper circuit - Now ver 3.2 marble here 2002-04-07 21:05:47 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Was Chopper circuit - Now ver 3.2 marble here 2002-04-07 21:09:10 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Was Chopper circuit - Now ver 3.2 Jon Elson 2002-04-07 22:13:44 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Was Chopper circuit - Now ver 3.2 Doug Fortune 2002-04-07 22:33:53 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Was Chopper circuit - Now ver 3.2 Paul Weber 2002-04-07 23:28:57 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Was Chopper circuit - Now ver 3.2 Tony Jeffree 2002-04-07 23:42:39 UTC Re: Was Chopper circuit - Now ver 3.2 Steve Blackmore 2002-04-08 00:45:16 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Was Chopper circuit - Now ver 3.2 mariss92705 2002-04-08 00:49:48 UTC Re: Was Chopper circuit - 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Hvidston 2002-04-08 07:41:15 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Was Chopper circuit - Now ver 3.2 cadcamcenter 2002-04-08 08:40:22 UTC Re: Was Chopper circuit - Now ver 3.2 mariss92705 2002-04-08 21:37:12 UTC Re: Was Chopper circuit - Now ver 3.2 Jon Elson 2002-04-08 21:57:48 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Was Chopper circuit - Now ver 3.2 Larry Edington 2002-04-08 22:17:11 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Was Chopper circuit - Now ver 3.2 Larry Edington 2002-04-08 22:28:06 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Was Chopper circuit - Now ver 3.2 Larry Edington 2002-04-08 22:36:50 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Was Chopper circuit - Now ver 3.2 RichD 2002-04-08 22:51:44 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Was Chopper circuit - Now ver 3.2 mariss92705 2002-04-09 00:08:36 UTC Re: Was Chopper circuit - Now ver 3.2 paul_alz 2002-04-09 01:01:27 UTC Re: Was Chopper circuit - Now ver 3.2 Jon Elson 2002-04-09 10:14:11 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Was Chopper circuit - Now ver 3.2 Jon Elson 2002-04-09 10:36:24 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Was Chopper circuit - Now ver 3.2 mariss92705 2002-04-09 11:54:39 UTC Re: Was Chopper circuit - Now ver 3.2 Jon Elson 2002-04-09 22:44:20 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Was Chopper circuit - Now ver 3.2 Steve Blackmore 2002-04-10 04:01:07 UTC Re: Was Chopper circuit - Ver 3.2 Web page up ballendo 2002-04-13 05:31:51 UTC Re: safety andrewyslee 2002-04-13 16:01:35 UTC Re: safety wanliker@a... 2002-04-13 23:27:38 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: safety ballendo 2002-04-14 01:06:45 UTC Re: Was Chopper circuit - Now ver 3.2 ballendo 2002-04-14 03:44:04 UTC pcb sources was Re: Was Chopper circuit - Now ver 3.2 dave_ace_me 2002-04-14 06:31:41 UTC pcb sources was Re: Was Chopper circuit - Now ver 3.2 JanRwl@A... 2002-04-14 16:51:19 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: safety andrewyslee 2002-04-14 17:52:15 UTC safety - pcb dust hazard mariss92705 2002-04-14 18:06:00 UTC Re: safety - pcb dust hazard mariss92705 2002-04-14 18:10:08 UTC Re: safety andrewyslee 2002-04-14 18:39:49 UTC Re: safety - pcb dust hazard Sven Peter 2002-04-14 18:53:27 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] safety - pcb dust hazard marble_h 2002-04-14 19:27:38 UTC Re: safety - pcb dust hazard J.Critchfield 2002-04-14 20:09:15 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: safety - pcb dust hazard JanRwl@A... 2002-04-15 00:01:23 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: safety JanRwl@A... 2002-04-15 00:05:02 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: safety dave_ace_me 2002-04-15 04:05:04 UTC Re: safety - pcb dust hazard andrewyslee 2002-04-15 17:45:42 UTC Re: safety - pcb dust hazard andrewyslee 2002-04-15 18:17:13 UTC Re: safety - pcb dust hazard ballendo 2002-04-16 13:58:59 UTC Re: safety - pcb dust hazard Raymond Heckert 2002-04-16 16:01:33 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: safety ballendo 2002-04-16 16:44:40 UTC Re: safety - pcb dust hazard ballendo 2002-04-17 01:23:05 UTC What to do in an estop ?!? was Re: safety mariss92705 2002-04-17 03:03:29 UTC Re: safety Sven Peter 2002-04-17 06:49:42 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: safety mariss92705 2002-04-17 07:23:55 UTC Re: safety - pcb dust hazard dave_ace_me 2002-04-17 10:02:12 UTC Re: safety - pcb dust hazard mariss92705 2002-04-17 10:53:38 UTC Re: safety - pcb dust hazard dave_ace_me 2002-04-17 20:07:33 UTC Re: safety - pcb dust hazard askforum 2002-04-17 20:07:55 UTC Re: safety - pcb dust hazard JanRwl@A... 2002-04-17 20:30:05 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: safety mariss92705 2002-04-17 22:23:42 UTC Re: safety - pcb dust hazard Ward 2002-04-18 01:14:10 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: safety - pcb dust hazard batwings@i... 2002-04-18 04:30:08 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: safety - pcb dust hazard dave_ace_me 2002-04-18 04:57:56 UTC Re: safety - pcb dust hazard steveggca 2002-04-18 05:00:12 UTC What to do in an estop ?!? was Re: safety Jon Elson 2002-04-18 05:42:20 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: safety Raymond Heckert 2002-04-18 09:51:38 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] What to do in an estop ?!? was Re: safety Jon Elson 2002-04-18 10:59:03 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] What to do in an estop ?!? was Re: safety mariss92705 2002-04-18 11:45:34 UTC Re: safety Jon Elson 2002-04-18 23:06:48 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: safety Hugh Prescott 2002-04-19 01:28:37 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: safety - pcb dust hazard ballendo 2002-04-19 06:16:34 UTC OT Re: safety - pcb dust hazard