Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Maybe OT, reprap build started

Chill. Try the decaf.

I stand by every word. The fact that the guys selling stuff don't call
themselves "RepRap" doesn't change a thing. Somebody is claiming a motive I
do not believe. To assert that I chose not to build one of these machines at
this time because I can't understand them is just plain stupid. You know
nothing of my abilities. To pass one's self off as a great humanitarian
while obfuscating the facts is a favorite tactic of politicians and, now
apparently, some engineers too. One has to wonder where your interests are
vested. Methinks thou doth protest too much.

--Phil M.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Payson" <mike@...>
To: <CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Maybe OT, reprap build started


> Ok, I cann't not respond to this...
>
> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Phil@Yahoo <yahoo@...>
> wrote:
>> I can't fault the developers at
>> RepRap and Makerbot for making the electronics and software proprietary.
>> Nothing wrong with protecting one's intellectual property. I can fault
>> them
>> for claiming that it is "open source." That is simply a lie. It's the
>> same
>> tactic used by a lot of open source software projects.
>
> NOTHING IS PROPRIETARY! NOTHING IS CLOSED SOURCE! The fact that YOU
> can't figure it out does not make it so. There are at least a dozen
> commonly used electronics platforms, including at least one common set
> that is designed for etching at home. Most of these were forked from
> an earlier open source design. ALL of these have source code files
> (usually Eagle files) available if you want to have your own boards
> manufactured or if you want to modify the board.
>
> There are also at least a dozen different firmwares available, ranging
> from something someone hacked together in a weekend to at least 4
> robust, well supported and widely used modern firmwares. ALL are open
> source. You are free to download any of them, modify them, rename them
> and start distributing your own firmware (so long as it is also open
> source).
>
> Oh, and BTW.. "RepRap" Doesn't sell a damn thing. "RepRap" is a
> worldwide group of hobbyists designing and building printers, the vast
> majority of whom make no money at all off their hobby. I am one of
> those hobbyists with no monetary stake in the hobby, and I have been
> involved in designing three separate sets of electronics. I could only
> have contributed to these if they were open source.
>
> Makerbot does sell stuff, but in spite of my many complaints about
> them as a company, the one thing that NO ONE has grounds to fault them
> for is their honoring of Open Source. They ALWAYS release the source
> files of their products as soon as they ship.
>
> Of course the real irony here is you seem to have looked at one set of
> electronics (Gen3Remix) designed by one for profit company (Techzone)
> and concluded that because you couldn't understand the sources of it,
> all must be equally bad and by extension, two groups who had no direct
> connection to the electronics you were looking at were suddenly liars
> and acting dishonestly.
>
> One thing is made clear by this... You were correct in your initial
> belief that the RepRap is beyond your abilities... It is quite clear
> from this that you would never succeed in getting one working. You
> seem to ironically want both something that you can pull out of a box
> and just have work with no research being required on your part (at
> least I hope that is what you want since you seem to be incapable of
> doing any research) yet you most definitely don't want anything closed
> source (which I would understand, except for the fact that you don't
> seem to even know what to do when you are given the source files).
> Trust me, stay far, FAR away from the RepRap. It is most definitely
> not a suitable tool for you.
>
>