Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Maybe OT, reprap build started
Posted by
Danny Miller
on 2011-10-10 12:52:22 UTC
I believe Mike is correct, and Phil is being an idiot.
That's not to say Phil isn't a smart person, I don't know him and can't
testify for or against. But, in this thread, Phil is carrying the Idiot
Ball. Which we've all done, on occasion.
Danny
That's not to say Phil isn't a smart person, I don't know him and can't
testify for or against. But, in this thread, Phil is carrying the Idiot
Ball. Which we've all done, on occasion.
Danny
On 10/10/2011 1:21 PM, Mike Payson wrote:
> Ok, I cann't not respond to this...
>
> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Phil@Yahoo<yahoo@...> wrote:
>> I can't fault the developers at
>> RepRap and Makerbot for making the electronics and software proprietary.
>> Nothing wrong with protecting one's intellectual property. I can fault them
>> for claiming that it is "open source." That is simply a lie. It's the same
>> tactic used by a lot of open source software projects.
> NOTHING IS PROPRIETARY! NOTHING IS CLOSED SOURCE! The fact that YOU
> can't figure it out does not make it so. There are at least a dozen
> commonly used electronics platforms, including at least one common set
> that is designed for etching at home. Most of these were forked from
> an earlier open source design. ALL of these have source code files
> (usually Eagle files) available if you want to have your own boards
> manufactured or if you want to modify the board.
>
> There are also at least a dozen different firmwares available, ranging
> from something someone hacked together in a weekend to at least 4
> robust, well supported and widely used modern firmwares. ALL are open
> source. You are free to download any of them, modify them, rename them
> and start distributing your own firmware (so long as it is also open
> source).
>
> Oh, and BTW.. "RepRap" Doesn't sell a damn thing. "RepRap" is a
> worldwide group of hobbyists designing and building printers, the vast
> majority of whom make no money at all off their hobby. I am one of
> those hobbyists with no monetary stake in the hobby, and I have been
> involved in designing three separate sets of electronics. I could only
> have contributed to these if they were open source.
>
> Makerbot does sell stuff, but in spite of my many complaints about
> them as a company, the one thing that NO ONE has grounds to fault them
> for is their honoring of Open Source. They ALWAYS release the source
> files of their products as soon as they ship.
>
> Of course the real irony here is you seem to have looked at one set of
> electronics (Gen3Remix) designed by one for profit company (Techzone)
> and concluded that because you couldn't understand the sources of it,
> all must be equally bad and by extension, two groups who had no direct
> connection to the electronics you were looking at were suddenly liars
> and acting dishonestly.
>
> One thing is made clear by this... You were correct in your initial
> belief that the RepRap is beyond your abilities... It is quite clear
> from this that you would never succeed in getting one working. You
> seem to ironically want both something that you can pull out of a box
> and just have work with no research being required on your part (at
> least I hope that is what you want since you seem to be incapable of
> doing any research) yet you most definitely don't want anything closed
> source (which I would understand, except for the fact that you don't
> seem to even know what to do when you are given the source files).
> Trust me, stay far, FAR away from the RepRap. It is most definitely
> not a suitable tool for you.
>
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Discussion Thread
Ron Thompson
2011-10-06 16:51:50 UTC
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Phil@Y...
2011-10-07 09:31:15 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Maybe OT, reprap build started
Ron Thompson
2011-10-07 09:45:33 UTC
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Dan Mauch
2011-10-07 10:23:33 UTC
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Ron Thompson
2011-10-07 11:04:27 UTC
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Danny Miller
2011-10-07 12:31:25 UTC
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Kevin Martin
2011-10-07 12:39:20 UTC
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Phil@Y...
2011-10-07 17:07:18 UTC
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wolfgang
2011-10-07 17:55:31 UTC
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Mike Payson
2011-10-07 18:09:48 UTC
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Johnny
2011-10-08 03:49:29 UTC
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Ron Thompson
2011-10-08 08:53:55 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Maybe OT, reprap build started
Ron Thompson
2011-10-08 08:58:26 UTC
OT New Hackerspace announcement
Mike Payson
2011-10-08 16:37:44 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Maybe OT, reprap build started
556RECON
2011-10-09 05:42:10 UTC
REPRAP COST EFFECTIVE?
turbulatordude
2011-10-09 08:15:29 UTC
Re: REPRAP COST EFFECTIVE?
Michael Fagan
2011-10-09 08:18:25 UTC
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Ron Thompson
2011-10-09 08:22:19 UTC
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Kevin Martin
2011-10-09 08:24:50 UTC
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Jon Elson
2011-10-09 10:16:38 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] REPRAP COST EFFECTIVE?
Danny Miller
2011-10-09 10:49:07 UTC
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Mike Payson
2011-10-09 12:40:25 UTC
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Ron Thompson
2011-10-09 13:08:49 UTC
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Mike Payson
2011-10-09 13:09:43 UTC
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Mike Payson
2011-10-09 13:13:43 UTC
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Mike Payson
2011-10-09 13:55:15 UTC
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556RECON
2011-10-09 14:17:13 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] REPRAP COST EFFECTIVE?
Mike Rehmus
2011-10-09 14:55:34 UTC
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Kevin Martin
2011-10-09 15:46:14 UTC
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Jon Elson
2011-10-09 17:26:27 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] REPRAP COST EFFECTIVE?
Jon Elson
2011-10-09 17:43:06 UTC
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Mike Payson
2011-10-09 18:38:32 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] REPRAP COST EFFECTIVE?
Low Compression
2011-10-09 19:50:13 UTC
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Danny Miller
2011-10-09 20:55:06 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Maybe OT, reprap build started
Mike Payson
2011-10-09 20:59:46 UTC
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Phil@Y...
2011-10-09 21:42:02 UTC
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Mike Payson
2011-10-09 21:56:31 UTC
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Phil@Y...
2011-10-09 22:13:10 UTC
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Danny Miller
2011-10-09 22:34:44 UTC
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Phil@Y...
2011-10-09 23:11:03 UTC
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Mike Payson
2011-10-09 23:16:34 UTC
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Mike Payson
2011-10-09 23:46:08 UTC
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Danny Miller
2011-10-10 01:02:15 UTC
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Kevin Martin
2011-10-10 07:23:47 UTC
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Kevin Martin
2011-10-10 07:24:21 UTC
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Kevin Martin
2011-10-10 07:31:56 UTC
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Phil@Y...
2011-10-10 10:28:24 UTC
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Phil@Y...
2011-10-10 10:31:17 UTC
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Alan
2011-10-10 10:35:37 UTC
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Mike Payson
2011-10-10 11:21:40 UTC
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Mike Payson
2011-10-10 11:34:26 UTC
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Alan
2011-10-10 12:08:57 UTC
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2011-10-10 12:09:30 UTC
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Danny Miller
2011-10-10 12:52:22 UTC
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2011-10-10 15:03:37 UTC
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Mike Payson
2011-10-10 17:47:21 UTC
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Jon Elson
2011-10-10 19:28:41 UTC
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2011-10-10 22:01:42 UTC
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Mike Payson
2011-10-10 22:19:49 UTC
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David G. LeVine
2011-10-11 10:32:41 UTC
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Danny Miller
2011-10-11 10:37:18 UTC
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2011-10-11 14:39:15 UTC
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2011-10-11 15:17:40 UTC
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Mike Payson
2011-10-11 19:07:48 UTC
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Danny Miller
2011-10-12 00:20:20 UTC
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2011-10-12 16:25:06 UTC
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2011-10-13 08:18:35 UTC
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Les Newell
2011-10-13 08:47:41 UTC
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Lester Caine
2011-10-13 09:03:59 UTC
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Jon Elson
2011-10-13 09:52:36 UTC
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Dave Halliday
2011-10-13 16:06:11 UTC
OT - open source licencing
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2011-10-14 06:47:32 UTC
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2011-10-14 07:02:59 UTC
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2011-10-16 12:10:05 UTC
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Danny Miller
2011-10-16 12:30:31 UTC
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2011-10-16 17:17:41 UTC
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