Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Maybe OT, reprap build started

Apparently you haven't been paying attention. My point was not that RepRap
is not open source, but that most open source projects are not nearly as
open as one would presume from the name, and that RepRap is certainly not
bucking that trend. Here's an analogy: I run an ad that says "open house."
You come to see but find that even though the front door is open, it is
blocked by a pile of furniture and garbage ten feet high and twenty feet
deep inside and out. All the other doors are locked. Is the house "open?"
Technically yes, but reasonable people would consider my ad false. We could
argue about it until you have an orgasm, but my opinion remains the same,
regardless how many names you or your ilk call me, or how much you try to
insinuate that my opinion makes me stupid. I've had this debate with others
much better equipped than you to debate the merits, and I must say the
discussion was far more civil. But this does remind me of an old joke: How
is arguing with an open source zealot like wrestling with a pig? After a
while you start to get really tired and dirty, and then you notice the pig
is enjoying it.

--Phil M.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Danny Miller" <dannym@...>
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Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Maybe OT, reprap build started


> Are you seriously serious or just trolling? The bare fact is that
> reprap IS Open Source.
> Just because you're apparently really bad with a using a web browser
> does not establish anything to he contrary.
>
> Danny
>
> On 10/11/2011 12:01 AM, Phil@Yahoo wrote:
>> I think these repeated personal attacks speak volumes. Obviously the
>> truth
>> hurts. Must have hit a nerve. Etc. Considering the source, I'll stop
>> banging
>> on the bars of the cage now before you fling any more dung. I'm surprised
>> you've been allowed to continue this long. The moderator must be asleep
>> at
>> the wheel. In any event I won't be opening any more posts from you, so if
>> you feel compelled to convince yourself that you had the last word, feel
>> free to spew whatever further invective continues to eat at you. No doubt
>> some find it entertaining. Show's over folks, he'll calm down shortly.
>>
>> --Phil M.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Payson"<mike@...>
>> To:<CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 5:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Maybe OT, reprap build started
>>
>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Phil@Yahoo<yahoo@...>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Chill. Try the decaf.
>>>>
>>>> I stand by every word.
>>> LOL "Nothing I say is correct, but I stand by every word". And you
>>> accuse the RepRap community of using the tactics of politicians? ;-)
>>>
>>>> The fact that the guys selling stuff don't call
>>>> themselves "RepRap" doesn't change a thing. Somebody is claiming a
>>>> motive
>>>> I
>>>> do not believe. To assert that I chose not to build one of these
>>>> machines
>>>> at
>>>> this time because I can't understand them is just plain stupid. You
>>>> know
>>>> nothing of my abilities. To pass one's self off as a great humanitarian
>>>> while obfuscating the facts is a favorite tactic of politicians and,
>>>> now
>>>> apparently, some engineers too.
>>> No one would argue that the RepRap documentation doesn't suck. It
>>> does. In fact in many areas it sucks badly. But it is quite a big jump
>>> from "the documentation sucks" to "there is a global conspiracy to
>>> make sure that Phil M. does not get a RepRap without buying one".
>>>
>>> It seems to me that you made a big fallacy in the reasoning that lead
>>> you to your conclusion. You seem to assume that because YOU cannot
>>> understand the documentation, NO ONE can understand it. I am sure you
>>> are correct and that you have many varied skills, but unless you are
>>> claiming that you are a super-genius of some sort, it seems reasonable
>>> that there are things in the world that you do not understand yet are
>>> quite understandable to others. I am sure even Albert Einstein had to
>>> ask for help now and then. Judging from the many thousands of RepRaps
>>> in the world today, a significant percentage of which were
>>> self-sourced (my own included), it is clear that it is possible to
>>> build a reprap, and it is even possible to do so without spending a
>>> dime at one of the normal RepRap suppliers (though you are asking for
>>> trouble if you do not at least source your hot end from one of the
>>> known suppliers).
>>>
>>> The simple reality is that the reprap is a RAPIDLY changing open
>>> source project. Few open source projects have good documentation to
>>> begin with, and almost no open source projects change even half as
>>> quickly as the stuff in the reprap world does. I follow it VERY
>>> closely, and even I don't know half of what is going on at any given
>>> time. It is almost impossible to keep the documentation current, let
>>> alone keeping it organized.
>>>
>>>> One has to wonder where your interests are vested. Methinks thou doth
>>>> protest too much.
>>> Lol again. You are a very funny man. Too bad you are not trying to be.
>>> You need to stop, take a deep breath, and realize that the world is
>>> not conspiring against you. I have no "interests" here except the
>>> interest in a fun, useful hobby and, if possible, helping others to
>>> get started in the hobby.
>>>
>>> As I have said, I make no money from the reprap, in spite of being a
>>> significant contributor to two of the available electronics designs
>>> (including one of the two most popular), a minor contributor to the
>>> other popular design, and the lead architect of what I hope to be the
>>> next generation electronics system (I don't make a dime from any of
>>> those). I am also about to release what I fully expect to be the new
>>> standard RepRap design, and while I will probably sell a few part sets
>>> on eBay to recoup some the costs of the development, I do not expect
>>> to make any significant amount of money from this design, either. I do
>>> not receive any monetary compensation from any of the suppliers for
>>> giving advice. I have gotten samples from a couple suppliers, but I
>>> assure you those do not effect who I recommend in any way. I do all
>>> this because I enjoy it, there is no other "interest" involved.
>>>
>>> If you are willing to put aside your conspiracy theories, I am HAPPY
>>> to help you understand what you need. For example it seems like one
>>> question you should have asked, but didn't was "If you do not
>>> recommend EMC or Mach3, and I don't want to buy pre-made electronics,
>>> are there other options available to me?" If you had asked that
>>> question (or something similar) I would have pointed you to the Gen7
>>> design, which is completely DIY, designed for home etching or cnc
>>> routing. I would provide you a link, but the reprap wiki is down right
>>> now (Though it is possible that is just people conspiring to keep you
>>> from finding this valuable piece of information). But if you go to the
>>> reprap Wiki later and search for "Gen 7" or possibly "Gen7" I am sure
>>> you can find it.
>>>
>>> If you have other questions, feel free to ask. If you just want to
>>> rant some more about how evil we all are, feel free to do that also,
>>> just do it somewhere else.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
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