Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Maybe OT, reprap build started

----- Original Message -----
From: "Danny Miller" <dannym@...>
To: <CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Maybe OT, reprap build started


>I believe Mike is correct, and Phil is being an idiot.
>
> That's not to say Phil isn't a smart person, I don't know him and can't
> testify for or against. But, in this thread, Phil is carrying the Idiot
> Ball. Which we've all done, on occasion.
>
> Danny
>
> On 10/10/2011 1:21 PM, Mike Payson wrote:
>> Ok, I cann't not respond to this...
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Phil@Yahoo<yahoo@...>
>> wrote:
>>> I can't fault the developers at
>>> RepRap and Makerbot for making the electronics and software proprietary.
>>> Nothing wrong with protecting one's intellectual property. I can fault
>>> them
>>> for claiming that it is "open source." That is simply a lie. It's the
>>> same
>>> tactic used by a lot of open source software projects.
>> NOTHING IS PROPRIETARY! NOTHING IS CLOSED SOURCE! The fact that YOU
>> can't figure it out does not make it so. There are at least a dozen
>> commonly used electronics platforms, including at least one common set
>> that is designed for etching at home. Most of these were forked from
>> an earlier open source design. ALL of these have source code files
>> (usually Eagle files) available if you want to have your own boards
>> manufactured or if you want to modify the board.
>>
>> There are also at least a dozen different firmwares available, ranging
>> from something someone hacked together in a weekend to at least 4
>> robust, well supported and widely used modern firmwares. ALL are open
>> source. You are free to download any of them, modify them, rename them
>> and start distributing your own firmware (so long as it is also open
>> source).
>>
>> Oh, and BTW.. "RepRap" Doesn't sell a damn thing. "RepRap" is a
>> worldwide group of hobbyists designing and building printers, the vast
>> majority of whom make no money at all off their hobby. I am one of
>> those hobbyists with no monetary stake in the hobby, and I have been
>> involved in designing three separate sets of electronics. I could only
>> have contributed to these if they were open source.
>>
>> Makerbot does sell stuff, but in spite of my many complaints about
>> them as a company, the one thing that NO ONE has grounds to fault them
>> for is their honoring of Open Source. They ALWAYS release the source
>> files of their products as soon as they ship.
>>
>> Of course the real irony here is you seem to have looked at one set of
>> electronics (Gen3Remix) designed by one for profit company (Techzone)
>> and concluded that because you couldn't understand the sources of it,
>> all must be equally bad and by extension, two groups who had no direct
>> connection to the electronics you were looking at were suddenly liars
>> and acting dishonestly.
>>
>> One thing is made clear by this... You were correct in your initial
>> belief that the RepRap is beyond your abilities... It is quite clear
>> from this that you would never succeed in getting one working. You
>> seem to ironically want both something that you can pull out of a box
>> and just have work with no research being required on your part (at
>> least I hope that is what you want since you seem to be incapable of
>> doing any research) yet you most definitely don't want anything closed
>> source (which I would understand, except for the fact that you don't
>> seem to even know what to do when you are given the source files).
>> Trust me, stay far, FAR away from the RepRap. It is most definitely
>> not a suitable tool for you.
>>
>>